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    Tap into your inner Peter Venkman and/or Real Genius. Or hell, Einstein.

    I'm well aware that two of those are fictional characters, but..damnit, they're awesome. IQ shouldn't be some barrier to communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    That is true, which of course doesn't mean that it's a completely baseless assumption. People with impressive cognitive abilities are more likely to become "frustrated intellectuals with social incapability". This line of thinking is their consolation price, but it's a fact that such deviancies are not always easy to bear with. It's pretty hard for a person with 100 IQ to engage in meaningful conversations with feeble-minded people, so why would it be easy for a person with 140 IQ to do the same with the average population?
    Good question...

    Damn, this is weird. I would have never thought that a thread titled "People are stupid" would give me so much to think about.

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    Btw, if someone is below avg IQ/feeble minded, then they're more than likely sick or mentally deficient. And probably get the shit end of the stick as it is, socially speaking. I would try to communicate with them the best I can, out of sympathy. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. But if by feebleminded, you mean a crackhead, then yeah, I'd just diss them.

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    the worst are arrogant idiots who mess things up on a grand scale (yes, I'm still fixated on the bus routes!) :steam:
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Hmm... Weird, I never thought it this way... How stupid of me..

    *needs to meditate on this*
    There's a heck of a lot to meditate on in this thread. (We could flood this site with spin-off threads.)

    For example,


    "assholes tend to gather assholes around them..."


    -- this being a major reason that some companies fail? Or does that make them successful?

    "It's pretty hard for a person with 100 IQ to engage in meaningful conversations with feeble-minded people, so why would it be easy for a person with 140 IQ to do the same with the average population? "

    -- It's a relief to be understood. Yet, listening to them with patience, the feeble-minded come up with the most brilliant insights because of the way they reduce things. Simplicity, directness.

    "I would refuse to be dominated too, but it's personal. I'm not trying to stick up for everyone when I don't rever authority. I'm telling people they need to earn my respect or give me some reasons for it first."

    -- What reasons do different types of people have for refusing to be dominated? What makes them put their foot down?

    "I'm a big grumbler when it comes to drug abuse. Or at least, I was. There was a time when I felt pretty isolated because of it."

    -- What effect does the quality of tolerance have on . . . quality of life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Btw, if someone is below avg IQ/feeble minded, then they're more than likely sick or mentally deficient. And probably get the shit end of the stick as it is, socially speaking. I would try to communicate with them the best I can, out of sympathy. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. But if by feebleminded, you mean a crackhead, then yeah, I'd just diss them.
    And what about mentally "overefficient" people? Why don't they get the shit end of the stick, socially speaking? They'd try to communicate with you the best they can, out of a sheer feeling of longing, because people like you make up 95% of society. But both of you feel that there's something wrong with the "channel", so you'll just try to avoid him/her because you're uncomfortable with it, not knowing what happens and why.

    (I don't know you, so please don't take it personally, this is just an example.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Btw, if someone is below avg IQ/feeble minded, then they're more than likely sick or mentally deficient. And probably get the shit end of the stick as it is, socially speaking. I would try to communicate with them the best I can, out of sympathy. So I don't think it's a fair comparison. But if by feebleminded, you mean a crackhead, then yeah, I'd just diss them.
    Personally I think it's apathy, not stupidity, that is the problem. Although the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Well, yes. But I am talking about what the "frustrated intellectual" sees as stupidity. He has his own fears, of course, which lead to irrational behavior (for example, avoiding people), but he has constructed rationalizations around his fears so that he sees himself as congruent, while he sees other people stupid.

    The question in this thread is not so much about stupidity itself. It is about what is seen as stupidity, or the people who see themselves surrounded by stupidity.

    EDIT: By the way, most fears are totally useless these days. Someone might say "stupid"... Heh...

    It is funny, though, that both the intuitive knowledge of what is best for you and the fear are instinctual responses. It is like the organism is fighting itself on a basic level. Usually it is more about the rational against the instinctual... Hmm... Weird, I never thought it this way... How stupid of me..

    *needs to meditate on this*
    Makes sense.
    It's always seems a little odd how some people forget that there's usually some rational reason behind the decisions of others, not matter how irrational it may seem to them. Guess this is where empathy kicks in.

    Fits in well with the attribution idea that we tend to judge on limited information. Does explain the tendancy to believe individuals in a massive group are less intelligent than they really are when you talk to them on an extreme personal level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Fits in well with the attribution idea that we tend to judge on limited information. Does explain the tendancy to believe individuals in a massive group are less intelligent than they really are when you talk to them on an extreme personal level.
    Also, a group of people gathers around a set of ideas or a shared attitude or something like that. The core of the group, whatever it might be, is always more simple than any human can be, since it is only an idea. Still, we often see the member of the group as a stereotype embodying the idea of the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    -- What effect does the quality of tolerance have on . . . quality of life?
    What people do with drugs doesn't affect quality of life a great deal unless you're surrounded with it. Which I was. It's not really important why I was in that position, but it affects quality of life when you're on a different wavelength than them as a sober person. There's not a whole lot of communication there. In addition to that, it sucks for practical reasons.. people who do drugs can be unreliable. Some not even worth trusting. And if you keep getting met with unreliabilty, it's easy to get shortsighted about it at times, and start saying that "people suck". Even if I don't really believe that on a whole.

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