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    Default Generalisations = Stereotyping?

    Does generalising a certain group mean one is stereotyping? If not then why does one accuse someone else of stereotyping when they generalise?

    Examples of generalisations:
    - Usually, women suck at computers
    - Usually, women don't know how to drive
    - Usually, men are idiots while women are smart
    - Usually, men only care about sex when trying to hook up with a woman
    - Usually, a child doesn't know any better than an adult

    Cancel out the 'usually' then we have stereotyping. But doesn't generalising have some truth in it? If I go somewhere and the people at the place treat me in a certain way I will generalise saying the people over at this place treat me like 'this and that'. It wouldn't necessarily be stereotyping would it?

    I would think many confuse generalisations with stereotyping. (if they of course aren't the same)
    Any views on the matter?

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    In the way that most people use the terms, stereotyping has a negative connotation, while generalizing is a way of impersonally (yet broadly) grouping data.

    When we stereotype, we stick people into a mold into which they may not fit. Stereotyping is typically done blindly and carries a more narrow-minded view with it. Perhaps we see a general trend and attempt to associate a causal relationship with the character trait and the character. For example: I've personally noticed that women are less likely to be interested in automobiles, so I form a stereotype that women are too mechanically inept to ever be interested in that kind of mechanical system and perhaps I even go so far as to say that women should not be hired at an auto shop.

    Stereotyping seems to have a snowball affect and be less susceptible to change. Stereotyping is forming a rather narrow mold (rashly based on our experience and/or indoctrination) and [unconsciously?] sticking people into that mold prematurely.

    When we generalize, however, we are grouping data based on some sort of reality, and the data does not carry any extra weight with it. Though we often may not have tangible statistics on an issue, we can gather information from our own experience and realize that we have indeed noticed that women are typically less likely to be interested in automobiles, so we say something to the tune of "It seems that women are less likely to enjoy automobiles" (while making no corollary claims as a result of that initial observation).

    It would be a flaw in the way that we interpret reality if we completely ignored trends, so we have to give them some merit. However, it's also important to realize that our generalizations are susceptible to "exceptions", and we should not use generalizations to predict the traits of women and cast them into a mold before indeed finding out that an individual woman dislikes automobiles.

    Stereotyping is generalizing with a muffin top.

    Stereotyping is (forcefully?) cramming someone into a rather arbitrary mold, while generalizing is creating an everchanging mold that is subject to tweaks based on our experience.

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    Yes, I see. Then those who accuse one of stereotyping when they are in fact generalising are at fault.

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    The amount of stereotyping one does use reflects his lack of own thoughts he had on the matter or his lack of capability to even have own thoughts. While generalisation is a measurement on how far someone has been brainwashed by society and lost his ability to think on his own at all.

    In the light of that generalisation: it's always as easy like that .

    Man just the plain thought that we couldnt live without generalisations or stereotypes, it would make so many people think on their own, society would die of contaminated air coming from all the smoke steaming from human heads !!!!
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    A lot of the time generalizations are accurate whereas stereotypes are often driven by emotion and are overly negative.

    The "generalizations" in your OP are stereotypes. Putting "usually" in front of it doesn't mean it isn't a stereotype. I would call it a generalization if it were true in roughly 80%+ of cases, which is clearly not the case for almost all of your statements.

    Generalizing is kinda like observing a group and seeing what traits they have in common, whereas stereotyping is (imo) more like trying to find ways to discriminate against a group that you don't like.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The amount of stereotyping one does use reflects his lack of own thoughts he had on the matter or his lack of capability to even have own thoughts. While generalisation is a measurement on how far someone has been brainwashed by society and lost his ability to think on his own at all.

    In the light of that generalisation: it's always as easy like that .

    Man just the plain thought that we couldnt live without generalisations or stereotypes, it would make so many people think on their own, society would die of contaminated air coming from all the smoke steaming from human heads !!!!
    That'd be awful. But yea. I see what you mean. So one would be less brainwashed by society if their generalisations are on a much smaller scale. Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    A lot of the time generalizations are accurate whereas stereotypes are often driven by emotion and are overly negative.

    The "generalizations" in your OP are stereotypes. Putting "usually" in front of it doesn't mean it isn't a stereotype. I would call it a generalization if it were true in roughly 80%+ of cases, which is clearly not the case for almost all of your statements.

    Generalizing is kinda like observing a group and seeing what traits they have in common, whereas stereotyping is (imo) more like trying to find ways to discriminate against a group that you don't like.
    The idea now is if generalisation is a fact or a belief. If it is a fact then you would indeed be correct. I stated it as a belief so it would be more void of what you have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The amount of stereotyping one does use reflects his lack of own thoughts he had on the matter or his lack of capability to even have own thoughts. While generalisation is a measurement on how far someone has been brainwashed by society and lost his ability to think on his own at all.

    In the light of that generalisation: it's always as easy like that .

    Man just the plain thought that we couldnt live without generalisations or stereotypes, it would make so many people think on their own, society would die of contaminated air coming from all the smoke steaming from human heads !!!!
    So you are using a generalization to support your claim that generalizations suck?

    Hume is glaring down on you with belligerent angst.

    *awaits impending implosion...*

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    So you are using a generalization to support your claim that generalizations suck?

    Hume is glaring down on you with belligerent angst.

    *awaits impending implosion...*
    You know if you keep trieing hard to find ways to piss on people, you'll either become master of stating the obvious or master of ruining stylistic devices.

    You really have to learn surfing !
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You know if you keep trieing hard to find ways to piss on people, you'll either become master of stating the obvious or master of ruining stylistic devices.

    You really have to learn surfing !
    I wasn't trying to piss on you...

    I was just pointing out the same thing that you implied in your post in a tag-team manner, from when you said:

    In the light of that generalisation: it's always as easy like that
    The obvious: entropie is easily brought to chaotic reactions. Or is that a generalization?

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    ah ok, sorry then. Hadnt had coffee yet today
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