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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    ah ok, sorry then. Hadnt had coffee yet today
    Don't worry; I don't actually think your ability to logically reason through shit is that inexistent. I'd only think that if you were an NFP or something. Err, wait...I'm stereotyping now...

    Honestly, I just wanted to bring Hume into the equation because he's ballin'.

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    Ok I'll skip the coffee and directly start with beer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ok I'll skip the coffee and directly start with beer...
    Because all Germans love beer, right?!

    Typical...

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    I had a bottle of whiskey here and while I drank I felt ultimatively noble. But then someone came and told me its spelled whisky not whiskey. That ruined it for me and since then I am stuck with 0.35 cent beer -.-
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    I tend to think of it as it's a generalisation if you have some facts or evidence to back it up and it's a stereotype if it's some kneejerk assumption you just pulled out of your arse to make yourself feel better/superior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I tend to think of it as it's a generalisation if you have some facts or evidence to back it up and it's a stereotype if it's some kneejerk assumption you just pulled out of your arse to make yourself feel better/superior.
    Generalization connotes empirical summary while stereotype connotes (offensive?) oversimplification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    The idea now is if generalisation is a fact or a belief. If it is a fact then you would indeed be correct. I stated it as a belief so it would be more void of what you have said.
    Please explain.

    I said that because I think you're using the term "generalization" in a way that most people would not agree with. Ie, closer to actual stereotypes.

    Examples of more typical generalizations:

    winter in northern countries is cold and there is snow
    people from england have a british accent
    people like to be in relationships
    people will get emotional when you attack them verbally
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    Generalization connotes empirical summary while stereotype connotes (offensive?) oversimplification.
    I think stereotypes are a certain form of generalization that always includes a value judgment - that doesn't necessarily have to be negative, e.g. Germans = no sense of humor and Germans = hard-working are both stereotypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Yes, I see. Then those who accuse one of stereotyping when they are in fact generalising are at fault.
    Yup. Look at how often the person objecting to the generalization and claiming it's an unfounded stereotype is a member of the group being generalized about.

    This suggests an emotional component that leads people to erroneous conclusions about the nature of the generalization.

    For instance, if I say, "Women are not usually as good as men at auto-mechanics", frequently some offended woman will respond with an angry counterexample of her lesbian auntie who fixes cars for a living, and then point out some male friend she knows that absolutely sucks with cars, as if offering two singular counterexamples somehow invalidates the entire broader trend.

    In fact, if we added up the total auto-mechanic proficiency of all men, it would probably exceed the total auto-mechanic proficiency of all women, but the only people who seem to object to this generalization are women who have misinterpreted it as an individualized description of each member of the group, when in fact it's merely an observation about the average trend. The person who points this generalization out is not saying that all women suck with cars, or that all men are good with cars, but invariably the person who takes offense to the generalization/attempts to discredit it is a member of the group being negatively generalized about (women, in this case.)

    Funny how it works like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Hatter View Post
    I think stereotypes are a certain form of generalization that always includes a value judgment - that doesn't necessarily have to be negative, e.g. Germans = no sense of humor and Germans = hard-working are both stereotypes.
    I agree with that. Stereotyping is within the set of {generalizations} (nice Ti ). But that Germans = hard-working stereotype easily spirals into a negative correlation. Germans = hard-working because they are cold, dry, and way too serious to know how to have any real fun (ie, because they have "no sense of humor").

    I'd steer clear of this way of thinking, whether or not it's overtly negative.

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