No, that is decidedly not what i am saying. I think we have our wires crossed. What i am saying is that i believe dyslexia is a gift and that the education system fails to educate dyslexic individuals because of their archaic system for teaching and that the education system desperately needs updating.I take offense because you are quoting absolute rubbish. Its the toch people spout when they are "reporting" something someone else has going on... rather than experiencing it.
I am using information from real statistics and providing links for the information. I am not dyslexic and you are absolutely right that i can not argue from the point of view of a dyslexic individual but that should not mean that i can not argue about it.
Sound bites form high achievers don't represent the population or respec the rough journey that kids go through.
Most high achievers would say they had a very rough journey in school because of thier dyslexia. No one is disputing this. I have stated it lots of times myself. My point is that it need'nt be the case.
I have had a lot of dylsexic kids, with varing degrees of dyslexia....many have creative talents, a few are supper bright, most are reasonably normal intellectually.
And how would they fair if they had acess to programs that could teach them how to write and write relatively normally/equally?
There were around 40 diangosed dyslexic kids in my high school, all recevied aditional education support (which was suprsingingly good given the time), out of them I'd say 2 (had very high IQs), most of those other kids were destined to low end jobs and child rearing because they simply wanted out the education system as fast as possible (because tey struggled). Many in this wider group were from social poorer areas.... few would make it out being till work or the likes.
Well yes that is surprisingly good given the time. I had five friends in high school with dyslexia (plus my brother), all were above average intelligence, all struggled horrifically. All were not diagnosed until they went to college. All went to college except my brother. Of those three have their own businesses two have taken to "child rearing" (nothing wrong with child rearing). One of the child rearing friends is also a freelance artist and attends art college as she now understands her dyslexia. And my brother works for a company and is progressing pretty high up in it-it's not a desk job. All these people had a huge disadvantage in that they were not given appropriate support when they needed it most, in their early education.
When my mother was at school she had her left arm tied behind her back by the teachers because she was left handed and it was considered a sign of the Devil. When my father was at school he had a friend who would now be considered dyslexic (never diagnosed) who spent a lot of his time in the corner wearing the dunce cap because he couldn't spell. I am glad that we have at least moved on from this.
I think we can move on much much further.
For the meidum/higher end of the intellegent ones, not only did they have to spend painful hour after hour working on stuff that was preventing them being exposed to wider experience, but they would repeat it etc.
I am not disputing that, but what if they had a program that actually worked?
What words did I encourage kids with... read, even thought it's hard, stick with it, and read what you are interested in. and then park your education in favour of life... Its a barrier to you getting to your goals, but don;t let it stop you.
I'm the youngest of 11 kids, there are 3 of us who are properly dyslexic (probably 4), although in recent trendiness you 2 more are kidding themselves on they are dylsexic.
I am an aunt to 24 children, dyslexia runs in the next generation of the family, I'd say there was a decidedly mix bag of results form the dyslexic camp. Some of the brighter oens are certainly not going to meet their potential, and a few have already excelled.
Many people do not meet their potential for various reasons, having dyslexia is a huge barrier if oyu are not taught in a way in which you can learn.
One just got a first from Glasgow Art....
I've watched kids I was educated with go throug the pain of learning, put up wiht the pain of being catogised as stupid by their class mates, I've seen the wee ones in my own life struggle through school and have to work 3 or 4 times hard just to break even...
Ok, i do not dispute this. I am not saying that this has not happened, i have seen the evdience in my own experience. I know many catastrophic mistakes have been made by the education system regarding dyslexia. I am agreeing with the above. That is not what i am disputing.
What i am saying is that there is a way in which to teach individuals with dyslexia that works and that it should be used. I am saying there is a better way.
DECIDELY NOT A GIFT.
I would say Dyslexia doens't affect intellgence at all, there is a totally normal range within dyslexic people... Education of dyslexics means that the middle to lower range simply crash and burn - even with top flight education and support - which I was lucky enoug to be party too.
I would disagree with this, i would say that if dyslexic individuals had acess to a program that works effectively, which i believe already exists, then the iq tests would yield much different results. It also comes down to the self esteem of dylexic individuals. How many believe they are stupid? how many have been told so? What if that didn't happen because they were able to read/write relative to their peers?
Bottom line for me was my desire to know about fairies... I wanted the content of books, so even when I could barely string to words together I was determined... I was 10 before I could tell the differnce betwene a b and D...and still struggle at times...
I would say that most if not all of dyslexic individuals want to read they just need access to a program that works for them.
What you can't see is the degree of concentration that becoems totally normal for a dyslexic to just function and a medium poor level.... to grief you have to talk from not very bright SJ types (of the less rounded category) who don't know how to contribute to an intellegent discussion beyond pedanticness. and yes I pitty them a bit for not being too bright (and that is not repreentative of all SJ's).
Yes i can see that, i have seen it in my own brother and son. I have seen it in many friends. I have seen it in my sons peers. The desperation and frustration that goes with trying to see the letters in order...so that they are not, what he describes as, "dancing" on the page. Again i say we have found a program that works, that stops the "dancing of letters" amoungst many other factors. I'm afraid i don't understand the reference to sj types.
I'd say your stats were severly skewed, not at all sure were you are picking them up from. From my education the only kids the Educations psycologists were interested in were the seriously bright ones (lab rats)... of which I was one.... I had my IQ measured every year, my areo spacials shocked the life out the testers. I was one of 10 kids in my prmary school t be tested, the rest weren't. So your stats may be misrepresenting reality somewhat....
Why would you say that when i have provided links, please ask for any links that may be missing, anything specific you would like. Below is a link regarding the need for SEN to pick up on giftedness in individuals with spld (specific learning difficulties)
Links between SEN and gifted & talented: part 1
So in actual fact you are saying that dyslexia is NOT improving the quality of an other wise intellgent creative child... it has not contrubtion... The delusion is to devalue you own childs struggle to just get the absics and pass it off as a wonderful gift... GET A LIFE!
I will end with another "bite" as you call it.
Please watch this link of Henry Winkler talking about dyslexia.
YouTube - Henry Winkler talks about dyslexia (GMTV, 06.01.10)
I am not saying that individuals have not had an awful experience in school/life. What i am saying is that it needn't be the case.