Searching the first person who doesn't want to be better than an ENTJ

[Litvyak]

Being an ENTJ doesn't mean your strong, there are no more strong ENTJs than strong... say, ISFPs. They are more assertive and aggressive, but that doesn't provide intellectual or physical superiority.

I don't compare myself to types, I compare myself to people. If that person who I'm competing with happens to be an ENTJ, I tend to withdraw and base my arguments on quality > quantity. I smile a lot and act calmly, which makes them lose composure and as they struggle to strike even harder, they lose their grounds. At this point, their defeat is imminent. They're like those boxers who try to win so hard and punch so fast that they step out of the circle and get disqualified. The same strategy doesn't work on other types though.

 

[Ghost of the dead horse]

^Litvyak: Okay, so you basically told you'll win them and you don't even want that.

Do you see the point why your statements are suspicious and why you're trying to eat the cake and save it, too?

^Cloud: You haven't been sensible in almost any expression you've made in the time you've held that sorry pseudonym of yours. After thousands of posts, I'd expect your stuff to improve by now.

 

[Ghost of the dead horse]

Ok. So, the conculsions are here. People do want to win the ENTJ, some - especially the INTJ, try to frame it in a story device that they "don't want that", a story device that has gotten awfully ugly by now. The INTJ's motives are strongly at suspect. People want to have a jab at the ENTJ, perhaps exerting their "coolness", skills, intellect or whatever - but they do desire to exert their thing unprovoked. Given a little provocation, they do want to exert their coolness, win, whatever, etc.. but it's obvious, very, very obvious. Perhaps the people would like to be less obvious, almost like a ninja or spy of some sorts, even though they are painfully, blatantly obvious. Perhaps the people like to blame the ENTJ for "obviousness" and lack of "tact" as well

I haven't seen much proof that people bashing ENTJ aren't just in the business of promoting themselves .. the style of the conversation in here is shitty, and will not get more attention from me, unless I want to punish myself in the near future. Be seeing you in some hopefully fruitful threads.

What sorry failures of a people have come here.

 

[Kambro]

ooh what an &%# u are - lol; who would want 2 compete with u if u not even worth it. Oh well cheers. Do not expect a response. Unsubscribed

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

How about, searching for the first ENTJ that doesn't want to be better than EVERYONE.

 

[tinkerbell]

How about, searching for the first ENTJ that doesn't want to be better than EVERYONE.

I agree, actually it's not stricktly true....

only a % of the male ENTJs. (present company isn't part of that %).. ......why are they SO like that... clearly the guy above has dillusions of grandure and beleives everyone has him on a pedistal to look up too, despite several pages of posts say basically WTF!

Hmmmm people aspire to people who they see as worthy of being looked up too, to me thats kindness (predominantly an F type quality... although far from exclusive), and pushing oneself to be what you can be... which is harder to do for certain types... because of what "all you can be" may be quite huge... otherwise there would be more Einstiens etc

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ego can be a fragile and tough thing to work through.

 

[FDG]

I don't want to be better than the ENTJ,
I'm satisfied reminding them that while they are all of trying to run and rule the world and trying to become better and better at everything and never being satisfied, I get to reap the benefits of all their hard work and have fun every day of my life! I will proudly hand the "better" title to an ENTJ any day.

Ahah, that's a good answer.

Anyway, looking at life in terms of a struggle for supremacy gets kind of boring after a while, I suppose. It tends to automatically redirect your radar towards people with a similar outlook, so both of you will get caught up in a rat-race for superiority, missing out on everything else.

 

[Litvyak]

^Litvyak: Okay, so you basically told you'll win them and you don't even want that.

Actually, I didn't. I've said that there are no more strong men and women labeled as "ENTJs" than strong people labeled as any other type; and I've given a rough scenario of how I deal with "strong" ENTJs.

But please think whatever you'd like to.

What sorry failures of a people have come here.

You're either a very unimaginative troll or someone with huge mental issues.
In the former case, I can give you a great online guide to trolling. In the latter case, I suggest you see a specialist.

 

[Nescio]

Psh.... I want to be better than everyone.
not just ENTJs

 

[SillySapienne]

Surely you are joking, right?

Have you ever thought for a second that there exists plenty of people who don't give a shit about being "better" than other people.

That life, for some, does not consist of competing for the highest rank?

That worth is measured and acquired via intrisic values.

When I am assessing my life, setting personal goals, attempting to be and act in the best way possible you can bet your ass that the absolute last thing I take into consideration is how I measure up to a fictitious ENTJ.

As far as I am concerned, ENTJs and ENTJ-ness do not even exist in my private most cherished world.

 

[King sns]

What sorry failures of a people have come here.

Clearly.

 

[King sns]

Ahah, that's a good answer.

Anyway, looking at life in terms of a struggle for supremacy gets kind of boring after a while, I suppose. It tends to automatically redirect your radar towards people with a similar outlook, so both of you will get caught up in a rat-race for superiority, missing out on everything else.

Thank you

And, you're right.
I think that there are very few people who strive to be "better" (depending on how you define the term.) But for those that do, its an inherent personality trait. A rather pointless one in current society- one in which survival of the fittest no longer applies. (Though i'm guessing it will again, someday. And in that case, I don't think type will have much to do with who survives.) I can see where people trying to be "better" might get caught up in their own views and their worlds can become that way. (But then again, most people have a certain view of the world that is based on what they know and observe, so I wouldn't fault them for that.)

I'm not really sure what better means here. I'm guessing more skills, higher intelligence, and ability to climb to the top of a career ladder? I don't know.

 

[SillySapienne]

I think many of the ENTJ's were happy at the beginning of the ENTJ image improving campaign 1.5 years ago .. but most of us, if not all of us, stepped back from it seeing how it went. We got the great image alright, but I think we collectively felt that something was lacking.

I think ENTJs just understand where they're good and where they're not, and the kind of attention we got was too much.. most of all, the recognition of the superiority of one kind in situation X wasn't helpful, so I guess the ENTJ's just decided to be cool, and forget any superiority. It was too heated, and didn't work well to aid us in understanding of type. .

WTF are you talking about?!?!



Either you're delusional, pathetic, or perhaps a little bit of both.

What campaign, what attention, what the hell are you talking about???

Generally speaking, people in the real world don't talk about ENTJs, or even have a clue about typology/MBTI.

I think you are using your ENTJ persona as a crutch.

 

[murkrow]

WTF are you talking about?!?!



Either you're delusional, pathetic, or perhaps a little bit of both.

What campaign, what attention, what the hell are you talking about???

Generally speaking, people in the real world don't talk about ENTJs, or even have a clue about typology/MBTI.

I think you are using your ENTJ persona as a crutch.

He's not talking about a global campaign but a campaign on this forum.

It's undeniable that the spamming of ENTJ threads by TG combined with the rise in female ENTJ presence has softened the perception of us considerably.

 

[JustHer]

It's undeniable that the spamming of ENTJ threads by TG combined with the rise in female ENTJ presence has softened the perception of us considerably.

Rise in female ENTJ presence?

 

[SillySapienne]

He's not talking about a global campaign but a campaign on this forum.

It's undeniable that the spamming of ENTJ threads by TG combined with the rise in female ENTJ presence has softened the perception of us considerably.

Oh man, I hope he understands that this forum is just a microcosm of life at large.

I am suddenly reminded of people who get drunk off of the minimal power they have in life, like the manager of a Gap, or some police officer who was constantly bullied when he was a school boy.

I think this mentality is sad and pathetic.

 

[murkrow]

Rise in female ENTJ presence?

Yeah, thanks for demonstrating.

Oh man, I hope he understands that this forum is just a microcosm of life at large.

I am suddenly reminded of people who get drunk off of the minimal power they have in life, like the manager of a Gap, or some police officer who was constantly bullied when he was a school boy.

I think this mentality is sad and pathetic.

Don't worry, we've got no evidence that the exaggerated ideas you created are even slightly representative of his mindset.

 

[JustHer]

Yeah, thanks for demonstrating.

Where are the other wimminz?!

 

[murkrow]

Kangirl, you, TG's conversion

also some softer ENTJs with disco and babs.