Psychopathy

[Thalassa]

A lot of NTs are thought to be manipulative it seems, lacking in remorse/guilt, etc. That doesn't make them psychopaths.

People who continually, consistently lack remorse for their actions which hurt others are emotionally disturbed, even if they are not psychopaths. I wonder if you are exaggerating here when you say many NTs share these traits.

 

[Thalassa]

Psychopathic ISFP? Wha?? Yes, she is violently upset because somebody is blocking the sunlight on the flowery meadow that she's attempting to paint.

Some ISFP males are actually stereotypically prone to anger problems.

 

[teslashock]

Some ISFP males are actually stereotypically prone to anger problems.

No, I'm pretty sure the gods frown upon the use of "ISFP" and "stereotypically angry" in the same sentence.

But in all seriousness, I'd believe that some ISFPs might have anger problems especially in really heavy situations. The combination of Fi/Se probably...but come on, let's face it, ISFPs are known for being pretty easygoing and down-to-earth as a whole. An ISFP psychopath would be a pretty rare thing to run into, I'd say.

And we all know that INFJs are the real psychopaths here. Prototype is my case in point.

 

[Xander]

I don't think the two marry up very well. The MBTI is about how you think as a functioning human being and psychopathy is a disorder... there is however the argument that perhaps the latter is false labelling and that a psychopath is just an extreme personality.

If there was a personality which I would reckon would be closest to this though it would have to be ST. NT's have long term cynicism sure but STs can just verbally decapitate someone and still be shocked that anyone thought any more of it than if they'd say "hi, how are you?"!

 

[Salomé]

I've only seen one site where an attempt has been made to map MBTI type to personality disorders.

According to which, INTs have a propensity towards being schizoid/schizotypal, which makes sense to me.

The closest approximation to "psychopathic" in that mapping is narcissistic as you suggest.

Narcissism is typically associated with more extroverted types.
The MBTI correlates are ESTP and ENTP.


Hmm. I smell projection.

 

[erm]

There was a study I read on INFPgc that stated amongst male sociopaths in prison, INFP was by far the most overrepresented type.

There are lots of ways of interpreting that data, and unfortunately INFPgc doesn't appear to be working so I'm having trouble finding the link.

It was in a great troll thread where someone was claiming most INFP males are sociopaths, which got a lot of members riled up, but the study was legitimate if I remember correctly.

Psychopaths are quite common and mostly harmless. I've heard around ~1.5% of the population the most. Though I'm not sure exactly how they'd get such a statistic, as with all personality related measurements, the quantifiers are very vague.

 

[wildcat]

I don't think the two marry up very well. The MBTI is about how you think as a functioning human being and psychopathy is a disorder... there is however the argument that perhaps the latter is false labelling and that a psychopath is just an extreme personality.

If there was a personality which I would reckon would be closest to this though it would have to be ST. NT's have long term cynicism sure but STs can just verbally decapitate someone and still be shocked that anyone thought any more of it than if they'd say "hi, how are you?"!

A good post.
Let us look at the characteristics assigned to a psychopath.

charisma
lack of remorse
low tolerance
high spirits

Four attributes?
Only two.
1. Lack of remorse > high spirits > charisma.
2. Low tolerance.

It is the combination of the two.
The match of the two is against the current.
It is therefore psychopathy is rare.

Dolls do not add to the number of the girls.
Girls do not add to the number of the dolls.

We discussed this before.
Differentiation does not concern the object of dichotomy.
It is about the agent only.

 

[Xander]

A good post.
Let us look at the characteristics assigned to a psychopath.

charisma
lack of remorse
low tolerance
high spirits

Four attributes?
Only two.
1. Lack of remorse > high spirits > charisma.
2. Low tolerance.

It is the combination of the two.
The match of the two is against the current.
It is therefore psychopathy is rare.

Dolls do not add the number of the girls.
Girls do not add the number of the dolls.

We discussed this before.

Oh I concur. As I said I don't think the two marry up very well. I do however think that the concept deserves playing with if only to add definition to why it doesn't fit.

 

[erm]

I don't think the two marry up very well. The MBTI is about how you think as a functioning human being and psychopathy is a disorder... there is however the argument that perhaps the latter is false labelling and that a psychopath is just an extreme personality.

Or just that "disorders" are part of the personality, hence part of the MBTI type.

Hence you'd see a correlation, unless it fluked a total lack of characteristics associated with certain MBTI types or any other possible link.

 

[Salomé]

A good post.
Let us look at the characteristics assigned to a psychopath.

charisma
lack of remorse
low tolerance
high spirits

Four attributes?
Only two.
1. Lack of remorse > high spirits > charisma.
2. Low tolerance.

Lack of remorse and low tolerance can further be reduced to lack of empathy which is the defining characteristic of the psychopath.

ESTPs and ENTPs both have tertiary Fe, which lends charm and charisma but not empathy.

 

[ajblaise]

There is an interesting MBTI thread on an antisocial personality disorder forum. Almost everyone was TP.

MBTI results for the anti-social : Antisocial Personality Disorder Forum

I think ESTP and ISTP are the most common types in jail and the most common psychopathic types. Along with a good number of ENTP con-men. And INTP criminal architects.

 

[Alwar]

Psychopaths are quite common and mostly harmless. I've heard around ~1.5% of the population the most. Though I'm not sure exactly how they'd get such a statistic, as with all personality related measurements, the quantifiers are very vague.

According to Robert Hare, they commit over 50% of the crime (that has victims) which is pretty staggering given the small percentage of their populous, yet makes sense given their temperament. Psychopaths actually have observable blood flow patterns in the brain, Hare has studied them in prisons. There is a good documentary about them on YouTube (sorry I don't remember the name of it)

 

[wildcat]

Oh I concur. As I said I don't think the two marry up very well. I do however think that the concept deserves playing with if only to add definition to why it doesn't fit.

Exactly.

 

[Butterfly_Effected]

ENTJ-ISFP

So what you're saying is that it takes all types.
All in one and one for all.

 

[Antimony]

I figured there was really no correlation. I more wanted to see what types would be viewed that way. Thank you guys for your input

I have had a good view into narcassism as well as psychopathy and what it looks like.

 

[Thalassa]

No, I'm pretty sure the gods frown upon the use of "ISFP" and "stereotypically angry" in the same sentence.

But in all seriousness, I'd believe that some ISFPs might have anger problems especially in really heavy situations. The combination of Fi/Se probably...but come on, let's face it, ISFPs are known for being pretty easygoing and down-to-earth as a whole. An ISFP psychopath would be a pretty rare thing to run into, I'd say.

And we all know that INFJs are the real psychopaths here. Prototype is my case in point.

 

[Prototype]

So what you're saying is that it takes all types.
All in one and one for all.

The ultimate personality!

 

[Butterfly_Effected]

The ultimate personality!

nice

 

[Kanamori]

There was a study I read on INFPgc that stated amongst male sociopaths in prison, INFP was by far the most overrepresented type.

There are lots of ways of interpreting that data, and unfortunately INFPgc doesn't appear to be working so I'm having trouble finding the link.

It was in a great troll thread where someone was claiming most INFP males are sociopaths, which got a lot of members riled up, but the study was legitimate if I remember correctly.

Psychopaths are quite common and mostly harmless. I've heard around ~1.5% of the population the most. Though I'm not sure exactly how they'd get such a statistic, as with all personality related measurements, the quantifiers are very vague.

Yeah, I don't think it would be very surprising for sociopaths to fluff themselves up in prison... or for infps to get indignant over it.

 

[Qre:us]

Still unsure? Just take this simple 20 question test! Have the phone nearby to call 911, ya know, just in case your results are a bit disconcerting.

*EDIT* The first link I posted was shite. This one works though.

True Psychopath
You scored 11 on Emotional Detachment and 14 on Chaotic Lifestyle!

Congratulations, you are both emotionally detached, and you lead a chaotic lifestyle, which may indicate there's something seriously wrong with you. A combined score of 30 or more on this test supports a diagnosis of psychopathy. You are likely to commit, or already have commited, a crime. Stay away from knives, guns etc. although with your brilliant and versatile mind you will probably think of a dozen other ways of hurting whoever you feel like hurting.

If your combined score is 5 or less, you are completely average compared to general population. If your combined score is 20 or more, you have a mind of a true criminal. If your combined score is 30 or more, you have a mind of a psycho.