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    May I take a stab at it?

    I think what Ina was getting at is that role models or no role models, finding new ones isn't the real problem. The real problem is how women are viewed when they get/seek power. One can identify all the Margaret Thatchers ( ) in the world, but they'll still get labeled with negative traits until the underlying attitudes towards women are changed.

    Or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    By the criteria in this thread, few famous men make good role models either....you have to be successful (fame, money, talent, power) and kind and gracious and moral? I agree that is more rare with men.

    Anyway, I don't think I saw Audrey Hepburn listed yet, but she should be.
    I'm not prepared to say that I think the combination of qualities in question is rarer in men than in women, but I do suspect that acceptable/suitable male role models are being judged by different criteria than female ones here.

    To the thread: how many successful men really get to where they are without putting other people down at some point along the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    May I take a stab at it?

    I think what Ina was getting at is that role models or no role models, finding new ones isn't the real problem. The real problem is how women are viewed when they get/seek power. One can identify all the Margaret Thatchers ( ) in the world, but they'll still get labeled with negative traits until the underlying attitudes towards women are changed.

    Or am I wrong?


    Yeah, cos Ina, of all people, really needs someone to speak for her.
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    Martha Stewart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post

    Yeah, cos Ina, of all people, really needs someone to speak for her.
    Don't worry your pretty little head about it Miss, I'm here to straighten things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    but I do suspect that acceptable/suitable male role models are being judged by different criteria than female ones here.
    That was my main point
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    not bad clown-face.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post

    Yeah, cos Ina, of all people, really needs someone to speak for her.
    I can has voice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Don't worry your pretty little head about it Miss, I'm here to straighten things out.

    [takes a seat]


    Quote Originally Posted by Two Point Two View Post
    I'm not prepared to say that I think the combination of qualities in question is rarer in men than in women, but I do suspect that acceptable/suitable male role models are being judged by different criteria than female ones here.

    To the thread: how many successful men really get to where they are without putting other people down at some point along the way?
    A damn good question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    I can has voice?
    Only if you purrrrrrr.

    [takes a seat]
    *ignores bait*


    A damn good question.
    Are you suggesting that there might be double standards at play here?
    Nay. Unthinkable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Only if you purrrrrrr.
    I've been practicing the purrfect purr by gargling water. Lady, you won't know what hit you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Are you suggesting that there might be double standards at play here?
    Nay. Unthinkable!
    Quiet, you, or you won't get any pudding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    I've been practicing the purrfect purr by gargling water. Lady, you won't know what hit you.

    Quiet, you, or you won't get any pudding.
    Ah, sexy assertive becomes you so well, babe!

    Be my role-model? Now that my role-model is gone, gone, ducked back down the alley with some roly-poly little bat-faced girl.

    All along along there were incidents and accidents there were hints and allegations.


    No bloody points worth debating though.
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