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    I love and respect Elisabeth Hasselbeck on "The View". She doesn't have any "blow your hair back" type of achievements to speak of, but I usually agree with her social and political views, and am thankful to see and hear the female conservative view in the liberal media. She serves to show that female conservatives are alive and well despite the odds and mockery. She has a lot of courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    ...unnecessarily belligerent people are to be found in both genders - IME moreso men. That behavior is, however, frowned upon more in the female of the species, in which case it can be fatal.
    Yes. That is a problem for women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    It may be true to some extent, but there's severe limits to it's application. One must look beyond.
    It's very true, it has to do with testosterone. This is bio 101 stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Rather, "open up to and examine new perspectives!"
    Not really. People have been admonishing pesky women to be on their Ps and Qs and prescribing all manner of so-called new ways to assert themselves without chafing the men-folk since . . . forever. A new perspective would be a discussion of models of how people have overcome rancid gender-based biases to female assertiveness. Lord knows it's needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Kar View Post
    My greatest role model is no one else but me. I'm amazing, so why should I admire and try to be like someone else?
    I always wanted to be a Saint!!

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    I'm beginning to wonder if there's some male/ female perspective problem here because I agreed much more with Santtu than other responses...

    I'm also wondering if there's deeper "twists" in this which are being overlooked, admittedly by me primarily.

    Perhaps it would be more logical addressing how the current stock of role models get the job. The media it seems needs to be the one that's changed to set up the domino effect. Of course their usual black and white thinking will make a balance very precarious.

    On another point, is it the perception of most here than women have a role and men do not?

    Perhaps that facet needs evaluating. Are "role models" something placed for women to strive to because the poor little darlings can't trailblaze? Are men really without such aids?

    Personally I think that role models may be being used as a control but to think that men have none is ignoring the obvious.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Perhaps the best role models are not the names of popular culture (whether female or male). It might be better to look for role models among family, aquaintences, people at work, or others in the local community. The vast majority of celebrities are what I would consider people we should emulate.
    Oh for sure. I couldn't agree more. However the problem seems systemic and therefore the solution would need to be systemic unless the system can be removed from the problem.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    Not really. People have been admonishing pesky women to be on their Ps and Qs and prescribing all manners of so-called new ways to assert themselves without chafing the men-folk since . . . forever. A new perspective would be a discussion of models of how people have overcome rancid gender-based biases to female assertiveness. Lord knows it's needed.
    You've obviously been growing up somewhere markedly different to me then. Most everything male is suppressed and everything female is artificially lifted.

    Oh and the rancid.... feminist?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    You've obviously been growing up somewhere markedly different to me then. Most everything male is suppressed and everything female is artificially lifted.
    I was looking beyond myself, actually. Though I am interested in hearing of this place where everything female is artificially (what?) lifted.

    Oh and the rancid.... feminist?
    wot? you disagree?
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