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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    There are lots of female role models nowadays. Most women today stray away from the label 'feminist' because of negative stigma, but they owe a lot to the movement. They are much further along than they were in the 50s, as far as power and influence goes.

    Women are even starting to outearn men in the big cities.
    Very much true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    More accurately, and as a repetition: the problem is about adding unneeded harshness, and lacking tact and skill. It's about disregarding the fine nuances of powerful communication, because the person emulating "sameness" haven't identified those nuances in the first place!
    I don't think so. Many people think Donald Trump is a huge success because they judge him on his end result - the money. But he encompasses all those nasty traits you listed. A woman on the other hand is judged differently, as is the case with Martha Stewart - who is nowhere on the same asshole-scale as Trump.

    Anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    ^That explanation has already been established as the popular one amongst women.
    Dismissing it doesn't make it go away.

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    Hillary Clinton
    Princess/Lady Diana
    Mother Theresa
    Oprah
    Miranda Priestly from The Devil Wears Prada.

    Oh... I forgot... Jackie O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    ^That explanation has already been established as the popular one amongst women. We're trying to look at alternatives here.
    Even most guys will admit they tend to be the more belligerent, on average. I don't have a problem admitting that, it's no secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Hillary Clinton
    Princess/Lady Diana
    Mother Theresa
    Oprah

    What'shername in the Devil Wears Prada.
    (The character, not Streep.)

    Ahhh, the lovely Anna Wintour - but I'm guessing that she doesn't count as non-"pissy".

    Also, Meryl Streep. Love her!

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    ^That explanation has already been established as the popular one amongst women. We're trying to look at alternatives here.
    In other words: "quiet, you!"

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Dismissing it doesn't make it go away.
    srsly.

    Ah, Hillary Clinton, a.k.a. "Hitlery Clinton" and other unsavory names assigned to "pissy women."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    In another thread Santtu made a comment about women lacking a decent concept of how to be powerful without being pissy. I figured there's a lack of decent role models for this behaviour. Women who have power and presence without gaining it or expressing it via beating others down. So I figured a thread discussing the various role models out there might be interesting as I can't think of more than a few women who have achieved an adequate amount of presence, confidence and relaxed alpha behaviour without putting others down.

    Just to establish parameters, Joan Rivers is NOT a good example of a success. That's a fail. As is most if not all of the famous female singers. Mostly this is due to fame warping them and some underlying desperation. A good role model just is as they are, warts and all.

    One example I plucked out of the air whilst musing this was Fay Ripley. Having seen her on Top Gear she seemed totally unfazed by the male dominated atmosphere and appeared relaxed and herself. Almost as if she accepted herself as "zany" even when she messed up she just laughed with everyone else and carried on happy to be the but of the joke as much as the joker.

    But then I failed to think of any more concrete examples I'm happy with.

    Any ideas?
    Perhaps the best role models are not the names of popular culture (whether female or male). It might be better to look for role models among family, aquaintences, people at work, or others in the local community. The vast majority of celebrities are what I would consider people we should emulate.
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    My greatest role model is no one else but me. I'm amazing, so why should I admire and try to be like someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Even most guys will admit they tend to be the more belligerent, on average. I don't have a problem admitting that, it's no secret.
    It may be true to some extent, but there's severe limits to it's application. One must look beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Dismissing it doesn't make it go away.
    Embracing it shouldn't stop anyone from looking at alternatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    In other words: "quiet, you!"
    Rather, "open up to and examine new perspectives!"
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