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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternue-MDL View Post
    My sister who is an xSFJ put it quite well to her children. "It's good to want, but that doesn't mean you're gonna get."

    Seriously, hasn't being unable to get everything we want made us into more balanced people?
    I'd have thought so. Also if you live all your dreams out by the time your twelve then what's left to really motivate you?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I'd have thought so. Also if you live all your dreams out by the time your twelve then what's left to really motivate you?
    I am sure puberty can bring such things to be motivated by!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    It's more of a roll playing game than a role playing game but it depends on your taste as to which is better.
    Oblivion is based much more on player skill than Morrowind is.

    See now compared to real roleplay that game is stilted and controlled like a clamp on a really long pole. Oh and the thing I absolutely abhor about this "new" idea in roleplay games on computers/ consoles is the concept that the player's capability at fighting should have anything to do with the game. I'm sorry but if I'm playing some kind of kick ass warrior then I ace your rogue in melee (usually). No amounts of furious button bashing should change that. To do otherwise would be to destroy the main thing in RPGs which is the suspension of disbelief. That's something silicon DMs don't come even close to so far.
    ^ See above. On Morrowind, a character with a low level sword skill couldn't even hit a crab...button mashing or not.
    Sorry but I tried Morrowind and I'd rather play Pokemon and I don't like those kinds of games and hate the whole Pokemon franchise!
    If you say so. I was permanently hooked once I got into the whole "did Vehk kill Nerevar, and if he did, did Vivec kill Nervar?" thing.

    Noooooooo MMORPG!!! HEATHEN!!! MUST CRUCIFY!!!


    on a more serious note you'd have thought that the local bullies would have cured those tendencies before they ever blossomed.
    Homeschooled kid. Brat.

    I know one kid who's mom tried to have him placed in advanced classes, where he'd have no idea what was going on and distract everyone else.

    What is with this idea that they're your kid, therefore they must be an utter genius or awesome sports player?
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    I think we need to take into account how much more time grandparents spend with children these days. There seems to be an increase in families needing to spend time together, more so than I remember when I was growing up.

    A perfect example for me is my daughter as she is the only granddaughter on my husbands side of the family. And while my mom in law is in her 60's she's quite healthy and still drives, she's more tired but she can handle the 8yr old. So they go shopping and what Frankie wants Frankie gets, then I take the kids shopping and there is a big fuss b/c I can't get Frankie all that she wants and she already has too much.

    It's one thing to say that we are raising a society that wants for nothing, but with both parents needing to work out of the home more and more these days we are neglecting the role that grandparents and extended family play in this and we are also neglecting the feelings of guilt in this as well.
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    "It's interesting that being deprived of a material possession is often energetically avoided, while being deprived of a useful personal characteristic (such as patience or empathy) is often overlooked." - faith
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    "It's interesting that being deprived of a material possession is often energetically avoided, while being deprived of a useful personal characteristic (such as patience or empathy) is often overlooked." - faith
    Thats a really great quote, I think.

    Before I say more, just let me say that I'm 16, so I hope my perspective on the current generation will be interesting to some extent, and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.

    So, once again about the above quote, my dad, when we go on vacation for example, will say "so what do you want", and I never want anything (nothing material anyway, except an Edger Allen Poe bookmark :P) and he says "come on, at leats get something". He was trying to make sur emy material needs were met in those cases, and even almost tried to convince me they weren't when they were, if anything, exceeded. I'd like to add that, for the record, my dad definitely puts character above all else, and there is nothing he wants more than to have intellectually and emotionally balanced children.

    Are things designed more for impulse now? Yes, I think they are. Things have, apparently gotten shorter, and people do not tolerate lengthy engagements as much. I find that, for example, when other kids are listening to their iPod (*cough*materialism*cough*) they often tend to listen to a song for 30 seconds to a minute before changing to another song. TV advertising is rediculous in this sense. There is an ad for Rogers Digital Cable where there is a family who essentially says they want everything, better, faster, cheaper, and instantaneously. I find it humourous, actually, because its just asking for so much! Then theres MTV... all the shows are like that. Sweet 16? What a joke, I wouldn't flinch if I saw those kids getting decapitated Its the same deal. And all of their shows are like that, too. I used to think "If MTV is the network that expresses my agegroup, they must not think much of us", but now that I've read some of your ideas and reflected upon them, MTV may be giving a chillingly accurate portrayal of young people.

    About video games... I'm not sure if they were talking about video games (I forget the exact phrasing), but someone said bright flashy colours might make the imagination go blank through overstimulation. I personally disagree... I like a game like, say, Mario because it is bright and colourful, and I can think about all the imaginative qualities of it as I play, and from time to time I even think about other things that could be in the game. In short, I think if anything games can stimulate imagination. As for RPGs, I've never been much into them. I don't play games enough to make it worthwhile.

    I've heard some people say that kids now are kind of being pushed down sort of a narrow hole of sorts. I'm not sure exactly what they mean, but something about not being able to... explore more os something, but rather are instructed to do almost everything in their life. Too much structure, I guess. That can be applied very well to MBTI by the way... I think that those personalities that do best with structure will create structure while those who loathe structure will work to remove it.

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    Default Hmm...Many Disjointed Thoughts

    Just wanted to point out that it's true that it's important so spark children's minds, but the boom in toys is actually making "professional grade" creativity more accessible to everyone including children. For instance digital video cameras and sound editing equipment. Lots of young rappers and musicians and DJs can make tracks on their computers and young film makers make movies. And I think there are dreamer and artist types who will grow up to fulfill that role of dreamer/artist whether they have nothing but their imagination or loads of money and toys growing up. They just need toys that still let them use some imagination. And have you see the Lego stores at your local mall? OMG, we would have LOVED that as a kid!

    One thing I have noticed though is that there's more 'kiddie lit' for kids, but a lot of it is crap. Sugary meaningless crap on TV that's been novelized. I fear for future writers and writing because garbage in = garbage out.

    As for disaffected youth -- I myself don't understand this, I was always very interested in the world around me as a teenager and enthusiastic. A lot of teens are just like that, I don't think it makes a difference how much 'stuff' they have or how much of a consumer they are. I think it has more to do with self-awareness and being exposed to the world and perhaps empathy. Of course, consumerism only affects these factors in as much as it keeps kids from getting out of the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    I am sure puberty can bring such things to be motivated by!
    Hehehehe... yeah you could have point there. Some things just come up at that time which tend to override other goals
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    I think we need to take into account how much more time grandparents spend with children these days. There seems to be an increase in families needing to spend time together, more so than I remember when I was growing up.

    A perfect example for me is my daughter as she is the only granddaughter on my husbands side of the family. And while my mom in law is in her 60's she's quite healthy and still drives, she's more tired but she can handle the 8yr old. So they go shopping and what Frankie wants Frankie gets, then I take the kids shopping and there is a big fuss b/c I can't get Frankie all that she wants and she already has too much.

    It's one thing to say that we are raising a society that wants for nothing, but with both parents needing to work out of the home more and more these days we are neglecting the role that grandparents and extended family play in this and we are also neglecting the feelings of guilt in this as well.
    Good point. My family has always been big on the whole "what can I buy you" and it's always been hurtful that at every birthday and christmas I get a flood of money. It's not that I'm ungrateful, I'm usually feeling really guilty and trying to figure out what I do to deserve the money, but it'd be nice just once that my family knew enough about any one of my many hobbies or interests to get me something as a complete surprise. Hell I spend ages agonising over such things trying to get something for people that they'll love but wouldn't have thought of getting or wouldn't be able to get themselves. I do complain about people on these occasions like my father who has hobbies but if he wanted it then he's either bought it or has ruled it out. Talk about awkward to buy for!! Bloomin ENTJs!

    Anyhow, this problem of guilt is another facet of the consumerism. We could spend a little time with our children, as I try to do with my nephews, doing what they like doing and joining in but it's so much easier and more to the forefront of our minds, to sate their wants and buy them something ever increasing their ability to occupy themselves and increasing their divorce from their parents and the guidance they give.

    Basically if you don't want your kids to be lead by the thinking of the latest pop singer then why get them an iPod where it's so easy for them to switch off and listen to their teachings?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    It sure seems like something is happening to the younger generations these days. I have a niece and nephew, the oldest is 8 years old...and while they arent spoiled by things, they are definitely lacking creativity and imagination. When ever me and my husband come to visit, and we adults are doing something (like watching tv or playing cards) the kids just hang around and watch, and get whiny by saying there is nothing to do, that they are bored, etc. I always tell them to go outside! Use their imagination! I give them a hard time, because I was an only child growing up. I always played by myself and didnt count on tv or parents to entertain. Anyway kids are definitely not as self sufficient in that way anymore. But as someone else mentioned, the internet and technology are making it so young adults are able to produce videos, music, and sell their art. So that is a positive side to things, also.

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