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    Default Which type is the most manipulative and dishonest?

    As the title says. Or is there little correlation between type and dishonesty?

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    Oh, wait, I know this one, it's sociopath!

    There might be different motives for lying, but I don't think that any type is really much worse than the others in this area.

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    I would think that someone that "lies," but doesn't have much of an internal moral compass, would be less dishonest than someone that has a strong internal moral compass and lies. This would not true, however, when the person with the strong moral compass believes that lying, in the situation they are in, is morally right.

    For example:

    Someone who doesn't have any values, and lies to sell someone a car, is lying but isn't necessarily being dishonest. They have owned their place as a cog in the gears and think nothing further of it.

    Someone who values honesty, but lies to sell someone a car, is lying and also being dishonest because their internal values are not congruent with their external actions.

    Someone who values honesty, and lies to sell someone a car, but believes it is not only required structurally but justified by their value system (such as they are trying to feed their family and believe if they do not sell the car they would lose their job and therefore a greater harm would be perpretrated than the lie) is perhaps being less dishonest than the people in the first two cases.

    So, that makes it difficult to attribute honesty to any one specific type, because in certain situations the reverse may be true. I'm still pondering this, but those are some initial thoughts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel View Post
    As the title says. Or is there little correlation between type and dishonesty?
    So, what's your story new member?
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    Perhaps a better question to be asking would be to see examples of how different types might use manipulation, both in a good and bad way, rather than this, which you're not really going to get much worthwhile responses from.
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