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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    When you're getting off on something, isn't that always because of feel-good reward chemicals? The self-control might be synonymous with that psychological mechanism in this case. They're feeling good because of the endorphins, and the self-control of fasting or purging is almost like the method of drug administration.
    It takes a certain personality type to stick with anorexia long enough for endorphins to kick in and it to become a chemical dependecy. Addiction doesn't happen over night for most any addiction, except maybe crack. You even have to do heroin a few times to actually become addicted. You can argue that fasting is more pleasurable for some people because their body chemistry is different, but long-term eating habits like that are psychologically ingrained.

    It often occurs during adolescence because teenagers don't want to become women. Media pressure tends to spike the numbers of anorexic cases in the general population. Pressures and habits learned at home also contribute. I think it is simplistic and naiive when people think that EVERYTHING is about brain chemistry and could be fixed with a little pill - that goes for any mental illness, whether it is an eating disorder or depression.

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    My ESFP guy friend (enneagram 7) became anorexic when he was in the 7th grade. It started out with a few rude comments about him becoming overweight. He started exercising a couple times a week and it just spiraled out of control. He got down to 80 lbs and was hospitalized. He's 16 now and he says that he feels like he has never recovered. Poor guy. He eats normally but still struggles with self-loathing and control issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I saw some documentary and anorexia has a lot to do with serotonin levels in the brains. Many anorexics have it at higher levels than normal, and eating releases serotonin, so instead of feeling happy after eating like msot people, they feel anxious after they eat. When they don't eat, the serotonin level drops to a more comfortable place.
    Interesting..

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    It takes a certain personality type to stick with anorexia long enough for endorphins to kick in and it to become a chemical dependecy. Addiction doesn't happen over night for most any addiction, except maybe crack. You even have to do heroin a few times to actually become addicted. You can argue that fasting is more pleasurable for some people because their body chemistry is different, but long-term eating habits like that are psychologically ingrained.
    Doesn't self-starvation cause the increase in endorphins to kick in the first time you do it? Or are you saying that complete fasting and self-starvation don't usually occur at the onset of anorexia? I agree that the real addiction to those chemical releases must take a while though.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    It often occurs during adolescence because teenagers don't want to become women. Media pressure tends to spike the numbers of anorexic cases in the general population. Pressures and habits learned at home also contribute. I think it is simplistic and naiive when people think that EVERYTHING is about brain chemistry and could be fixed with a little pill - that goes for any mental illness, whether it is an eating disorder or depression.
    Yeah I remember reading about a study on that in sociology. How would that explain the really extreme cases though? Where they go well beyond media norms. Is it psychological and their self-image is that distorted or is it dependency on a certain brain state at that point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanveane View Post
    Don't know about most likely but INJs are definitely candidates... Eating disorders can often stem from issues around control which INJs can have in spades. People develop EDs for various reasons but wanting to assert control is a biggie.
    I would agree with this.

    I never had an eating disorder, but many years ago I did become obsessive about eating 'healthy', trying to cut pretty much all fat out of my diet (although maintaining caloric intake), and when I realized after a few yrs of that that it was pretty messed up (to the extreme I took it to), and that I was a couple pounds lighter than I had been while in college, I snapped out of it and the rest is history.

    Control, yes...I think INJ's can latch onto, and become obsessive, with the more physical elements because that's one thing they CAN have 100% control over, when most other things are out of ones control. It doesn't even have to manifest in eating to the point of a disorder... could be any other random, tangible thing that the INJ becomes obsessive/almost anal about.
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    I understand that anorexia is more about finding personal control than external image. It is the result of overly internalizing negativity. I think the problem is that every external person could react to the anorexic as though their physical image was fine, but if their internal sense of self is distorted, there isn't much anyone can say to change that view.

    I think it could be a problem for IJs, but also for other types. Bulimia might be different because it is the sensation of food that is the coping mechanism rather than denying the senses and losing touch with one's physical self.
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    Many kids who develop an eating disorder have low self-esteem and their focus on weight can be an attempt to gain a sense of control at a time when their lives feel more out-of-control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    There's a lot of evidence suggesting this is genetic, but I think mothers may also pass down their food hang-ups in raising their children. In every woman I've known well who was/is anorexic, I've noticed that her mother was militant about watching her own weight.
    For me it was my dad, not my mom. He is the epitome of an ISTJ- eats exactly what he's supposed to and no more; measures out a glass of wine to get the exact amount which is supposed to be beneficial and not detrimental, etc. But I think that's just how he is and I don't think it's a problem for him. The problem for me was that I took this to the extreme and punished myself when I didn't adhere to my unrealistic expectations. (Or his unrealistic standards.)

    Also, I had zero issues with food until I went to college. I was unhappy with where I was and then there was the whole dorm food situation- eating at a buffet every day with limitless choices. These things together made me begin to have an unhealthy relationship with food.

    I barely think about food at all anymore, and I never overeat. All it took was my getting on bipolar medication. So I think there is much to be said about it being a chemical/psychological issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I saw some documentary and anorexia has a lot to do with serotonin levels in the brains. Many anorexics have it at higher levels than normal, and eating releases serotonin, so instead of feeling happy after eating like msot people, they feel anxious after they eat. When they don't eat, the serotonin level drops to a more comfortable place.

    There's a lot of evidence suggesting this is genetic, but I think mothers may also pass down their food hang-ups in raising their children. In every woman I've known well who was/is anorexic, I've noticed that her mother was militant about watching her own weight.

    An ESFP friend of mine who used to be anorexic and still struggles with food issues used to describe it that way - eating made her extremely anxious. It had less to do with being thin than keeping her anxiety in check and having a certain amount of control. She was also OCD, and supposedly many anorexics are OCD also (from the same documentary).

    When it comes to men, I've known a few INTPs who had eating disorders.
    I could see NF perfectionism leading to an eating disorder also. I don't think you could name a type more prone to it though, especially if it has more to do with stuff like serotonin levels and OCD.

    Anorexia is chaning in profile, originally it was seen as a control illness where the young person felt subjected to being controled by parents or grew up in an emotionally volitile household. Hence I think the 1970/80s anorexic was probably a J type

    I think this has changed to incorporate many aspects of body dismorphia.

    I think the Anorexia and OCD link is the damage caused by lack of fuel (rather than the other way around).... but this is from historic perspective rather than up to date info.

    The range of eatting dissorders have tipped the balance so to speak.

    High levels of Obesity (probaboly realted to ratio of wadges:cost of food and super markets selling a hue proportion of treat based products), cause a distorting of weight perception, increasing a kids desire to control their weight, thus potentially opening the door to Amorexia or even bullemia.

    an SJ at work has some form of anorexia (although not taken to an excess so almost physically healthy).

    Body dismorphia is a big driver I'd think.
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    Sever underweaight would lower your life expectancy the most (radically reduces life expectancy)
    Followed by obesity (will take off a good few years)
    Followed by smoking (will take off a good few years off but less the obesity)

    i'd guess high levels of alcohaul would be between obesity and smoking...

    People have not got enough stress in their lives/don't struggle enough to ensure they are healthy. Persumably it's true of animal communities too, if there is too much food/lack of struggle they communities become lackluster and fail to thirve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    All it took was my getting on bipolar medication. So I think there is much to be said about it being a chemical/psychological issue.
    I have a feeling there are a lot of variables and different reasons depending on the individual. It generally seems to be a symptom of some greater issue though, be it chemical or psychological or whatever.

    I think eating disorders like anorexia have less to do with the media promoting thinness (which it condemns as much as it promotes) than many people seem to think. It might add to it, but I don't think it's a root cause.
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    What type is most likely to have eating disorders? XXXX.

    Why is this even a question? Every type can find subjective reasoning to have an eating disorder.

    Not only that, but you're not specifying what type of eating disorder. Thus, the question is not only silly, but extremely open-ended.

    Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive.

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