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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Going to bed, the conclusion for the night.

    Objectivity is reached when you have a fundamental understanding of yourself the good, bad, and ugly. Then you can notice where your influence occurred in a situation rather than if you had not been there at all. Experience locks in this perspective, because despite whether it is motivation or observation, you can test the accuracy of everything I stated above.

    Self awareness leads to objectivity if one seeks to understand anything more than themselves.

    I suppose it is a difference in perspective...

    We are not the world, the world is something we have an idea of or influence on, given all the information available.

    This is objectivity.
    Yes .. this is all very true.. and coming out of emotion and standing aside one can truly see their influence on events.. I have just had a serious bout of this.. So now you are making ground because I can relate a little more.. in fact did someone send you to tell me this?? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    So, found myself in a debate yesterday, continued today) of whether a person can ever truly view themselves from an objective perspective.
    I don't think an argument has successfully been made that the problem of seeing yourself objectively is any different that than of seeing anything or anyone else objectively. Whether we look in a mirror at ourselves, or look in a mirror at another, it is still our eyes in both cases that we are looking through. It is the act of looking that brings the bias. If we simply see, then both the self and the other should be equally blessed by an objective lens?
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    Not only can you never see yourself objectively, there's much speculation to whether or not objectivity actually exists. Kind of what Speculative said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speculative View Post
    I don't think an argument has successfully been made that the problem of seeing yourself objectively is any different that than of seeing anything or anyone else objectively. Whether we look in a mirror at ourselves, or look in a mirror at another, it is still our eyes in both cases that we are looking through. It is the act of looking that brings the bias. If we simply see, then both the self and the other should be equally blessed by an objective lens?
    If you can recognize the bias then you can remove its portion from the equation. The first mistake in not being objective is failing to account for bias. But just as anything else, if it is there, it can be removed altered whatever, just as any other conceptual fact. If you have taken the time to know what it consists of. And this is as easy as simply knowing yourself.

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    When we attempt to perceive ourselves objectively, what standard should we use?

    Is there a universal measurement of human behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Not only can you never see yourself objectively, there's much speculation to whether or not objectivity actually exists.
    Objectivity exists in exactly the same way the Limit exists in calculus.

    We never quite reach the Limit just as we never quite reach objectivity.

    And just as the Limit gives us the laws of motion, so objectivity gives us the laws of reality.

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    Objectively, meaning we can observe every aspect of our mind and personality at one time, while making rational decisions about it?

    Btw, ubiquitous, explain your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubiquitous1 View Post
    When we attempt to perceive ourselves objectively, what standard should we use?

    Is there a universal measurement of human behavior?
    We see ourselves subjectively and others objectively.

    So if we want to see ourselves objectively, it is best to ask someone else.

    However we can imagine ourselves into the subjectivity of another.

    This is pure magic and delight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    Objectively, meaning we can observe every aspect of our mind and personality at one time, while making rational decisions about it?
    I think objectivity means seeing something as an object, while subjectivity means seeing someone as a subject.

    The amazing thing is that I can see you as both an object and a subject.

    When I look at you, I have binocular vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So if we want to see ourselves objectively, it is best to ask someone else.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Objectivity exists in exactly the same way the Limit exists in calculus.
    We never quite reach the Limit just as we never quite reach objectivity.
    Even though limits do not exist for every function, limits do exist. For example the limit of x/x is one.

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