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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    That is a great discovery. I have the feeling all mine boil down to one thing, but I can't put my finger on it, yet.
    Yes its good to have the feeling. For your feeling is waiting for the right moment to reveal itself to you.

    And no doubt it will reveal itself to you most tactfully in tatemae while reserving its deeper feelings in honne which you no doubt will be able to guess.

    But of course it realises that once it tells you that you will tell us. So naturally it is a little shy and reserved.

    But your feeling is fond of you and only waiting for the right moment to declare itself.

    I wonder what it is.

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    Someone should tell that guy, you do not talk about Fight Club.
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    i have a hard time deciding what my most important values are.
    i would have an easier time of it if someone gave me a giant list of words, and said pick only 10, or pick only 5.

    and different values are much more or less important to me at different times.

    love
    courage
    those 2 jump out at me.


    what is a word for "doing the right thing"? not exactly morality. more like active integrity, integrity in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    The type of honesty I prefer people to practice towards me has little to do with truth telling in that sense and more to do with honestly (i.e. sincerely) acting in my best interests, or at least, not deliberately acting against my interests. My valuing of freewill forces me to concede that people have a right to use their own best judgement to discharge any sort of trust I place in them, so I can't hold it against them if they see fit to do that by the use of a strataegic untruth, with sincere motives - to do so would offend my integrity!
    That's a good explanation of how I relate to lying.

    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    I think that, rather perversely, it's my valuing of authenticity that also forces me to cut Lying some slack. I just tried to explain that in words, but it got way too long, so I hit the backspace key. Something to do with Taoism and not denying the innate nature, and kids lying at very young ages without being taught it...
    I think I know what you mean. I had for a long time a rule for myself that I wouldn't fake. I could manage rather well living by the rule, but then I realized that it is like I have this rule against one of the "social tools". Faking and lying are tools used for different means, and while they are not something we brag about, they are something very normal and even essential for living with people.

    And, what I then thought up was that when I fake for example in an embarrassing situation to make it seem less embarrassing (example, joke about the situations as if it was planned to go that way), it is my real response. It isn't like there is this other person behind the faking, it is me doing it. But, I draw the line somewhere along the motives. I don't plan faking things or lying. I think that another thing I value comes along to help here, spontaneity. I try to be as much in the moment as possible, then my person is the one doing things and not someone I have prepared in advance.

    The thing that was bad about the not-faking rule was that it made me very selective of the people I was with. So selective no one could really be up to it eventually. And it made me think like I didn't fake at all, which is impossible, and I could feel superior because of this "achievement" in blinding myself.

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    Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth!
    Yeah, but without your description of lying with good intentions the thought wouldn't have popped up in my mind. I should have thought of it right away, instead of saying this:

    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yeah, telling the truth always is just silly...
    The idea was there, but it was in a form that could not be translated into anything that makes sense. It's like you enhance the side of me who actually thinks about this stuff instead of just throwing things out... We should form a since entity and we would rock this place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    we would rock this place.
    Like, totally!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    i have a hard time deciding what my most important values are.
    i would have an easier time of it if someone gave me a giant list of words, and said pick only 10, or pick only 5.
    Dude, the article linked in the OP... read it, or at least skim it! Although, welcome to the thread - before Kalach changed his type, you and Victor were the only T's with the balls to come in and face their F side!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    what is a word for "doing the right thing"? not exactly morality. more like active integrity, integrity in action.
    Duty?
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    It's just not something that's at the front of my mind. Values are probably most easily learned when someone violates them or puts them in jeopardy. So that's reactive instead of active... Actively identifying values is the difficult part, even though they're there.

    Plus, don't you think they would kind of blend together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    It's just not something that's at the front of my mind. Values are probably most easily learned when someone violates them or puts them in jeopardy. So that's reactive instead of active... Actively identifying values is the difficult part, even though they're there.

    Plus, don't you think they would kind of blend together?
    I dunno. That's the point of the exercise - for T's who usually think like that, to try something different for a change and just see what comes of it. Why not give it a try anyway?

    I've figured out that authenticity, sincerity, integrity, constructiveness, freewill and adaptability are my top priorities. I'm mulling it over for a bit, to figure out what order they go in and how they interplay with each other. Some of my posts above are where you can see some of that process externalised.
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    thanks proximo.
    this is really very interesting to me, defining your values. living by values is a big concern to me, but defining the "core" 5 is hard. but it strikes me as a very good and important thing to do. i don't know what my earlier post was about. i was stonewalling before, being unnecessarily stubborn. i have that tendency. embarrassing...

    so i did it, i thought about it and distilled my values to the core 5.
    Integrity
    Action
    Understanding
    Restraint
    Love



    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    Duty?
    duty is important to me, but that is not the word i was looking for. i was trying to define a concept in my mind of 'doing the right thing when it is not expected of you'. i realized it fits into integrity, it is integrity with courage.

    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    I've figured out that authenticity, sincerity, integrity, constructiveness, freewill and adaptability are my top priorities. I'm mulling it over for a bit, to figure out what order they go in and how they interplay with each other.
    can you describe authenticity and sincerity? how are they different to you?
    authenticity is very important to me too, it is one of the things i wrote down and considered. but i realized, for me, authenticity follows from Integrity and Action. if i act on my integrity, authenticity will naturally follow/be the result.

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