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    Default Please give me questions that polarize

    I am asking just to get a feeling for how hard it is to make a personality SORTER instead of just an inventory or measuring instrument.

    Please make up a statement that people will vehemently agree or disagree with...Or a polarizing question, with two poles.

    Note while doing this, make it so that the question can be answered on a continuum between one answer or the other.

    I am not sure how polarizing the following questions are, but here are some examples:

    From 0 to a 100, how much do you hate yourself?

    How much do you agree with the following statement (from 0% to 100%) "I have delusions of grandeur"

    For your statements you can just make one, no need to add the "how much do you agree with ..."

    You can just put (for instance): "I hate day dreaming"

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    The problem is the distribution along the dichotomies. It's gaussian. Most of the people are borderline. Take eg. E-I. Most people are in the middle. Some people are "rather introvert" or "rather extravert"; only a few are "extremely introvert" or "extremely extravert".
    Basically, if you have more than one polarizing question, the same person can answer an "introvert" answer to one question and an "extravert" answer to the other; putting the person in the middle again.
    If you have only one, you will be inaccurate. You can't call me 100% extravert because I like to organize get-togethers. You can't call me 100% introvert because I like reading.

    Actually, your questions aren't polarizing, as they allow for "grey" answers. "Do you hate yourself more often than not" with only "yes" and "no" as answers, is polarizing.

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    The majority of questions, there are also many reasons WHY someone might answer yes or no. It seems like a sorter device would have to look at multiple answers to triangulate intent/motivation, rather than just basing the sort on the individual answers to each.

    For example:
    You can just put (for instance): "I hate day dreaming"

    It sounds like you're fishing for S/N here, but on its own this question does not determine that.
    An INTP daydreams of new worlds and theories.
    An ENFJ daydreams about community development.
    An ISFJ daydreams about getting married and her wedding.
    An ESTP daydreams of all the cool things he will be doing after school today or the sale he will make.

    If you ask each one of them if they hate day dreaming, you have no idea whether you'll get a yes or no, it all depends on how they read that question.
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    I probably should have left out the fact that I was trying to get a feel for how hard it is to make a sorter.

    The point here is to have the question itself be polarizing without cheating (that is without forcing a binary choice).

    Forget Myers-Briggs.

    Here is one I think would be polarizing. "I like eating babies." --with the standard 0 to 100 percent. We'll get a distribution that is either skewed a lot in one direction or bimodal, with people at the other mode being different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The majority of questions, there are also many reasons WHY someone might answer yes or no. It seems like a sorter device would have to look at multiple answers to triangulate intent/motivation, rather than just basing the sort on the individual answers to each.

    For example:
    You can just put (for instance): "I hate day dreaming"

    It sounds like you're fishing for S/N here, but on its own this question does not determine that.
    An INTP daydreams of new worlds and theories.
    An ENFJ daydreams about community development.
    An ISFJ daydreams about getting married and her wedding.
    An ESTP daydreams of all the cool things he will be doing after school today or the sale he will make.

    If you ask each one of them if they hate day dreaming, you have no idea whether you'll get a yes or no, it all depends on how they read that question.
    Exactly.

    The word "daydreaming" apparently means something different to each type.
    I have found this phenomenon quite frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    The problem is the distribution along the dichotomies. It's gaussian. Most of the people are borderline. Take eg. E-I. Most people are in the middle. Some people are "rather introvert" or "rather extravert"; only a few are "extremely introvert" or "extremely extravert".
    Basically, if you have more than one polarizing question, the same person can answer an "introvert" answer to one question and an "extravert" answer to the other; putting the person in the middle again.
    If you have only one, you will be inaccurate. You can't call me 100% extravert because I like to organize get-togethers. You can't call me 100% introvert because I like reading.
    I know all this. This adds naturally to the difficulty of making any sorting mechanism. The "middle of the road" syndrome is something ANY instrument that aims to sort will have. This is an artifact of averaging and the tendency for people to pick the middle option.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    Actually, your questions aren't polarizing, as they allow for "grey" answers. "Do you hate yourself more often than not" with only "yes" and "no" as answers, is polarizing.
    Allowing "grey" answers was kind of the point. If you force people to chose between two options, it is the answer choice that polarize, not the question itself.

    I am attempting to use strong language so that the question does polarize even if there is a continuum of answers. In other words, the distribution should have two high points in it, or the distribution should be skewed heavily to one side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The majority of questions, there are also many reasons WHY someone might answer yes or no. It seems like a sorter device would have to look at multiple answers to triangulate intent/motivation, rather than just basing the sort on the individual answers to each.
    I don't was yes or no answers because that forces the polarity. I want the polarity on the questions to be real.

    Yes, creating a sorter is complicated. If you just do a simple addition, you will have the central limit theorem pushing the distribution back to being Gaussian.

    You may need to get a feel for how often the person picks middle of the road answers to weight a polarized response more for that person.

    Also, I am actually thinking about making a sorting mechanism using some sort of learning algorithm to pick out questions that sort well and are correlated with each other...the number of dimensions will depend on how the polarizing questions correlate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    For example:
    You can just put (for instance): "I hate day dreaming"

    It sounds like you're fishing for S/N here, but on its own this question does not determine that.
    An INTP daydreams of new worlds and theories.
    An ENFJ daydreams about community development.
    An ISFJ daydreams about getting married and her wedding.
    An ESTP daydreams of all the cool things he will be doing after school today or the sale he will make.

    If you ask each one of them if they hate day dreaming, you have no idea whether you'll get a yes or no, it all depends on how they read that question.
    Yes. But in strong language, the person who actually answers that they hate day dreaming in a high percentage would be different from the norm, I think.

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    Default Can we stick with making questions?

    So I appreciate the discussion. This sort of discussion was what I was aiming for earlier.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ributions.html

    Questions always have flaws.

    However, I would appreciate it if people actually gave questions themselves while they give their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I don't was yes or no answers because that forces the polarity. I want the polarity on the questions to be real.
    Okay, I see. You're searching for questions which do allow a middle ground but nevertheless would get an extreme distribution...
    I'm now thinking about questions that would at least get an extreme answer from me.

    Do you hate yourself? No.
    Do you believe there are good and/or evil forces in nature? No.
    Do you believe in destiny? No.
    Can you imagine a circumstance where you would kill another human? No. (In my imagination, I'll always find a way out. Probably it wouldn't work in reality - but I just *can not* imagine myself killing another person.)
    Can you imagine a circumstance where you would kill yourself? No. (Same reason here.)
    Can you imagine a circumstance where you would eat human flesh? Yes. (I'm hungry and there is a dead body.)

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    Thanks. Those seem like good polarizing questions...and easy to adapt so that a continuum of answers is allowed.

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    One question I presented a while ago seemed highly polarising.

    Do you think there's a ranking of better and worse people?

    BTW. I have hugely enjoyed reading articles from the wikipedia controversial topics list.
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