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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Anyone factor in EQ, here? In terms of communication?
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    EQ is a different topic then IQ and plays a different role in communication then IQ...though probably similiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I've heard the case made the significant differences in IQ of like 15 or so points makes it more difficult to communicate between the two parties because they think differently. For the most part, it comes to the one with the higher IQ generating more complicated ideas that the one with the lower IQ doesn't comprehend as easily, or doesn't understand at all as the case may be. Even a slight lag in ability to understand basic concepts can create serious barriers to communication and stifle the quality social interaction.

    So to those of you who have studied IQ to any extent, do you think this premise is true? Please do expand upon the idea if you can.
    I would have to agree with this a lot. It's true that knowledge doesn't equal intelligence. So in the case of someone who is more knowledgeable in a topic than another may be a different story, whether they are more intelligent or not.

    But if you take one basic thing that everyone can talk about, the people of different intelligence levels will have completely different conversations. I've always found that talking to people of different intelligence levels is like speaking different languages. With one you feel like a mentor, or just a listener. With another you may feel excited an enthusiastic, with another you will feel challenged... I have always held the belief that people of similar intelligence levels should stick together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I've heard the case made the significant differences in IQ of like 15 or so points makes it more difficult to communicate between the two parties because they think differently. For the most part, it comes to the one with the higher IQ generating more complicated ideas that the one with the lower IQ doesn't comprehend as easily, or doesn't understand at all as the case may be. Even a slight lag in ability to understand basic concepts can create serious barriers to communication and stifle the quality social interaction.

    So to those of you who have studied IQ to any extent, do you think this premise is true? Please do expand upon the idea if you can.
    Sure, IQ correlates with the number of ideas we can think at the same time.

    So the normal person can think one idea at a time, while the abnormal person can think two ideas at the same time.

    But the interesting thing is that once you can think two ideas at the same time, the thought occurs, why not three or four or even five ideas at the same time?

    With this question in mind, the heading of most of my posts consists of two ideas - the headings of most of my posts are in the form of 'A idea' and 'B idea'. Occasionally I branch out into three or even four ideas, but only rarely.

    So the first step is to think two ideas at the same time. And the first step is the hardest to take, but it leads onto great intellectual excitement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I've heard the case made the significant differences in IQ of like 15 or so points makes it more difficult to communicate between the two parties because they think differently. For the most part, it comes to the one with the higher IQ generating more complicated ideas that the one with the lower IQ doesn't comprehend as easily, or doesn't understand at all as the case may be. Even a slight lag in ability to understand basic concepts can create serious barriers to communication and stifle the quality social interaction.

    So to those of you who have studied IQ to any extent, do you think this premise is true? Please do expand upon the idea if you can.
    What is your standard regarding communication? If it be simple exchanges between two or more individuals of differing intellectual abilities, then coherent communication is hardly affected. If, on the other hand, you ask whether intellectual discourse becomes more difficult in proportion to the variance in IQ of the individuals involved, I am most certainly forced to respond affirmatively. The average individual in society is a simpleton, and as the very word implies, they are mentally simple; simple-minded; vapid. They are not only incapable of maintaining a stimulating intellectual conversation but are wholly devoid of any interest to partake in such exchanges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I have always held the belief that people of similar intelligence levels should stick together.
    I agree. This should especially be the case with reproduction, where intelligent individuals must strive to reproduce with other intelligent individuals so as to avoid producing mentally inferior offspring.
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    Well the problem is IQ is kind of stupid. If the thread was about communication and intelligence, I am sure there would be debates about the definition of intelligence (Thank you, Ti), but I feel like we would at least be on firmer ground. For instance, to study people's interactions and judge how they are affected by IQ, you would have to quantify everyone's IQ. Then you would have to remove all the variables so that IQ was isolated and observable. How do you do that? Anyway, here is an anecdote that is somewhat pertinent to the discussion:

    I was at a get-together with a handful of friends. I would say we were all of similar IQ. I am sure there is some deviance but I doubt any one of us would be on another planet compared to another. However, one of my friends brought her boyfriend, who would likely have a much lower IQ than everyone present. He was sort of a part of the group, but since it was more of a friend-by-asscociation thing, he wouldn't have been as close to us. Anyway, I don't think we broke the record for most stimulating conversation or anything, a lot of it was just discussing the town we all grew up in and the people in it. To be clear, we all had a pretty good knowledge of the topic at hand, including the aforementioned boyfriend.

    This boyfriend was silent, almost uncomfortably so. I tried to steer the conversation into territory that would favour him (His rugby team, a mutual friend of ours, even cars). He still only managed a few words. Later he told his girlfriend that it was like we were "speaking another language, and that he couldn't follow any of it. We jumped around so fast, and used big words, analyzed things in a way he didn't understand etc). I would attribute IQ as part of the reason as to why he had difficulty. I am not sure if it's so much IQ as EQ though, because I think a lot of it pertains to you how well you are able to relate to others who are quite different from yourself.

    I think part of it was also that he was operating slightly outside the collective understanding of the group. I also think that his girlfriend and I forgot that, when communicating with him outside the group, we tailor our expression and subject choice to things that are comprehensible and interesting to him, because he just doesn't understand or know about a lot of our interests. But then again, this seems arrogant of me, perhaps he is doing the same thing for me. Or maybe he can relate, he just doesn't want to, because he'd rather us come to him. Still, he really doesn't seem like he's adjusting to me at all. All he ever talks about is sports, cars, country music, and drinking. I know a lot about sports, a little about country music, and fair amount about drinking . So I try to talk about these subjects and in a manner that he would find easier to understand, and he finds it very interesting (or so he reports to my friend). Not to say I am rude about it, but I do have to simplify a lot of things, otherwise he just doesn't know what I am saying. While lack of breadth in your interests does not equal low IQ, the ability to communicate meaningfully about the few subjects you do understand, is probably more positively correlated with IQ. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    EQ is a myth. Like the chupacabra.
    You just say that because you don't want to be caught on camera.

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    Children with high IQ's generally have social skills problems. I don't know if it's because their IQ's are different from other children, or because their brain is just wired to focus on academics and not social skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    Children with high IQ's generally have social skills problems. I don't know if it's because their IQ's are different from other children, or because their brain is just wired to focus on academics and not social skills.
    Those with high IQs in the gifted range are abnormal. They are different from those with IQs in the normal range.

    They are different not only intellectually but emotionally. The emotional difference takes the form of high response to stimulae both internal and external. And the normal are unable to follow this high responsiveness and so reject the gifted as socially inept or bad communicators, when it is the normal who are inept.

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    communication only goes so far. there are concepts that in order to be grasped at all require a different mind and mode of thought. Having a mind that operates far from the norm can be an exercise in frustration and loneliness. What helps to overcome this sense of isolation is not communication skills, but nurturing patience in oneself, and beyond that, appreciating people for who they are, accepting them as they are.

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