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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Alright then how about how far we can go with a logical analysis. That would be limited due to lack of knowledge.
    And how about the rules of logic. Are the rules of logic limited?

    Yes, he is like that isn't he.
    Opps. Sorry I edited my post because it was too long and unwieldy. Does this question still hold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    And lack of sufficient data limits logic doesn't it?
    no, lack of data limits understanding
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    ^ I see. I understand what you mean. But how about the rules of logic?
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    Opps. Sorry I edited my post because it was too long and unwieldy. Does this question still hold?
    Yes, well my second question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ I see. I understand what you mean. But how about the rules of logic?
    Yes, well my second question.
    Logic is linear reasoning. If your data is incomplete, definitions are inaccurate, premise is skewed & etc, its very easy to arrive at the wrong conclusion. The rules are limited (sparse, for lack of better word) but I believe necessarily so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ I see. I understand what you mean. But how about the rules of logic?
    never heard about those. but if id need to make some rules for logic right now, id say that if you get to wrong conclusion with right info you are using faulty logic. if you get to wrong conclusion with faulty info, it doesent mean that logic was faulty, but it could have been. if you get to right conclusion with wrong info, logic was faulty, even tho it led to right conclusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    never heard about those. but if id need to make some rules for logic right now, id say that if you get to wrong conclusion with right info you are using faulty logic. if you get to wrong conclusion with faulty info, it doesent mean that logic was faulty, but it could have been. if you get to right conclusion with wrong info, logic was faulty, even tho it led to right conclusion
    There are rules for logic. Where's the logician?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krunchtime View Post
    Alright, anyway, assuming it does. Logic is linear reasoning. If your data is incomplete, definitions are inaccurate, premise is skewed & etc, it is very easy to arrive at the wrong conclusion.
    But this is what logic is for. Coming to the right conclusion. But it is coming to a conclusion using rules that are limited.

    @INTP: what krunchtime said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    But this is what logic is for. Coming to the right conclusion. But it is coming to a conclusion using rules that are limited.
    Okay.... so what is our quarrel? Right conclusion= understanding, wrong conclusion= limitations in understanding. Since logic= right OR wrong conclusions, logic= limitations in understanding? This doesn't hold. May I venture that no conclusion= limitations in understanding?

    p.s. excuse me if my understanding is not quite correct. please explain more
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    Quote Originally Posted by krunchtime View Post
    Okay.... so what is our quarrel? Right conclusion= understanding, wrong conclusion= limitations in understanding. Since logic= right OR wrong conclusions, logic= limitations in understanding? This doesn't hold. May I venture that no conclusion= limitations in understanding?

    p.s. excuse me if my understanding is not quite correct. please explain more
    I never said logic = limitations of understanding. I asked if logic has limits. Understanding something means that something is within the boundaries of logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    I never said logic = limitations of understanding. I asked if logic has limits. Understanding something means that something is within the boundaries of logic.
    Alright cool. Thanks for clarification.

    Because you define the function of logic as coming to the right conclusion. Hence, if you come to the wrong conclusion using logic, it indicates limitations in process of logical reasoning? Does it not indicate limitations in the human being (for using the inaccurate data/ definitions/ premise)?

    Edit: This is essentially the same as our first argument. Anyway, I just want to add that it is entirely possible for Te to be more objective than Ti, depending on the context and situation.

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