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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Oh, what does a silly INTP know about logic?

    INTP logic is good, IF you assume that the ways in which humans can perceive things to work is the more significant factor compared to how things actually play out.
    I'm not attacking anybody, just putting this out there, but 1) he was probably trying to be funny AND feel superior about it in a very clumsy way
    2) he didn't actually ever test as intp so it wouldn't be fair to associate him with the other intps when he's actually more like an inxp. (again, i'm not taking sides)
    3) ath, cut on the steroids/coffee. (see, this is me showing i'm not taking sides)
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    Quote Originally Posted by krunchtime View Post
    Waiting for a logician to tackle this question
    sowy i'm supposed to be working/go buy some food
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    I'm not attacking anybody, just putting this out there, but 1) he was probably trying to be funny AND feel superior about it in a very clumsy way
    2) he didn't actually ever test as intp so it wouldn't be fair to associate him with the other intps when he's actually more like an inxp. (again, i'm not taking sides)
    3) ath, cut on the steroids/coffee. (see, this is me showing i'm not taking sides)
    I know, I was just making fun, and trying to feel superior/funny as well.

    Yeah, I've probably been drinking too much coffee, though. Halla and Jaguar getting onto me about what I say is usually the first sign, and they've been pounding me lately. Sigh, I'm going to have SUCH a headache, though.

    Anyway... I think that human beings may not be able to conceive of anything outside of logic, so it might be irrelevant whether it's limited, because we are likely limited in the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krunchtime View Post
    Then its not limited. If we derive all our theoretical ideas and understanding of the external world through reasoning, it is impossible for us to conceive of things which fall outside logical reasoning. Any phenomena which appears to defy our understanding, hence logic, must be due to a lack of sufficient data, or gaps in reasoning.
    And lack of sufficient data limits logic doesn't it? Therefore if data was limited then human logic would be limited too.

    Therefore, no. The difference between Ti and Te is Lawliet versus Light
    Waiting for a logician to tackle this question
    Well they both have almost the same thinking process don't they?

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    Logic just facilitates the construction of cogent arguments.

    I don't really see how it can be limited.

    It is either used or not used.

    The only question then is, to what extent is it used?

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    didn't we go through all this already ?
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Too lazy to read the beginning of the thread. Just putting in my $.02.

    This is all I'm going to say and I won't get dragged through the mud over it.

    Later.

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    even if you have faulty information that leads to wrong understanding, that doesent mean that logic was used faulty. logic only combines info and you can combine wrong info in the right way, even tho it might not lead to right solution

    and no way im inxp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    And lack of sufficient data limits logic doesn't it? Therefore if data was limited then human logic would be limited too.
    It stands to reason that if we had sufficient data, we would be able to attain logical nirvana. Therefore, said limitation is not a property of logical reasoning per se, but due to technical limitations. Thus you can't conclude that logic itself is limited, but you can conclude that technological capabilities are limited.

    Lack of sufficient data limits the exercise of logic not the potential of logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Well they both have almost the same thinking process don't they?
    Nope. Light: 1. All criminals must die 2. All murderers are criminals. Therefore, all murderers must die. 3. Light =/ Murderer, Light = God of the new world
    Last edited by krunchtime; 11-03-2009 at 10:43 AM. Reason: made consistent

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    Quote Originally Posted by krunchtime View Post
    It stands to reason that if we had sufficient data, we would be able to attain logical nirvana. Therefore, said limitation is not a property of logical reasoning per se, but due to technical limitations. Thus you can't conclude that logic itself is limited, but you can conclude that data-gathering technological capabilities are limited.
    Alright then how about how far we can go with a logical analysis. That would be limited due to lack of knowledge.
    And how about the rules of logic. Are the rules of logic limited?

    Nope. Light: 1. All criminals must die 2. All murderers are criminals. Therefore, all murderers must die. 3. Light =/ Murderer, Light = God of the new world.
    Yes, he is like that isn't he.

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