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    Human logic is limited by the human. Before I joined this forum I didn't realize that so many people were insistent that their logic is superior, just by virtue of their (often poorly adjusted) personality.

    I used to value logic more highly before I found out what many people actually consider logic. I now see the term as something people use as a weak reason that they feel should cause others to unquestioningly agree with their point of view.

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    ^ Very interesting. So you believe logic is limited as every human has a limit to their logic. Do you not however use logic as a standpoint in argument yourself?
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    Of course there are. Why would the universe work the same way as our thoughts and move in the same way as the rules we invent. Our understanding is in this domain because it is our comfortable way of modelling it. The truth of the processes could be anything. It may not be definable in human thought.

    As you said also, our perception is limited, hence logic is limited. Crap in = crap out.
    I see. Nice explanation.

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    I think logic is a good tool to understanding and presenting thoughts. I think logic is very limited by people's views on what logic is.

    People just often talk about "logic" and aren't even being logical.

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    human logic isnt limited to one human
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    human logic isnt limited to one human
    But is it limited to knowledge?

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    It's not about logic , it's about logic x culture. If we imagined a theoretical infinite future for humanity (purely for the argument's purpose), the tools we'd develop+the accumulated knowledge etc. could make logic as a process tend towards infinite information.

    Now ofc that's not possible in this universe, be it only because of proton decay, entropy in general and the limited quantity of matter available to store information. So the process isn't limited but the universe is.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    ^ Interesting, But wouldn't that just make logic constantly grow but not reach to infinite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    But is it limited to knowledge?
    logic, knownledge and understanding are different things, so thats irrelevant
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    logic, knownledge and understanding are different things, so thats irrelevant
    1+1=2 is a logical equation
    The knowledge is that there is a 1 and another 1.

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