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    ... If the world is actually paradoxical, sure.

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    If we're talking about any possible system and what it potentially yields to the most competent person, then logic is virtually unlimited in its application. The only area where I can think of it not applying is when value judgments come up. We use logic to apply values to reality, but generally, all values have an illogical foundation. There is no logic involved in your feeling that a cheeseburger is or isn't tasty.

    However, all human thoughts and feelings are just a biological process, which means all of your values are probably derived from a set of switches, of sorts. In such a case, it means there is a system to those switches, and the values they produce, that could be understood through logic. So maybe even values are within logic.

    However, our experience of values, as well as many of our other feelings and senses, can probably never be understood logically. Alas, logic itself is an abstract construct of ours, and something we sort of experience. This brings about an issue with the OP's question. How are we supposed to understand the word limited? I say logic is applicable to anything, but it does not explain everything about what it is applied to.

    As for whether or not there is truth outside of logic, I'd say no. True and false are the most basic components of logic. Even acknowledging your illogically formed values requires you to make a statement about them within the real of true/false.
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    Logic has limits, but we're not going to reach them any time soon.

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    i dont think human logic is limited, but info to make logical desicions with is limited, allso some things are so hard to understand that it might take meny lifetimes to figure something out.

    animal logic is really limited and apes arent the only ones using logic. for example some birds use better logic than apes
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    ^ If you consider the theory of evolution your theory of human logic not being limited would be false.
    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If we're talking about any possible system and what in potentially yields to the most competent person, then logical is virtually unlimited in its application. The only area where I can think of it not applying is when value judgments come up. We use logic to apply values to reality, but generally, all values have an illogical foundation. There is no logic involved in your feeling that a cheeseburger is or isn't tasty.

    However, all human thoughts and feelings are just a biological process, which means all of your values are probably derived from a set of switches, of sorts. In such a case, it means there is a system to those switches, and the values they produce, that could be understood through logic. So maybe even values are within logic.

    However, our experience of values, as well as many of our other feelings and senses, can probably never be understood logically. Alas, logic itself is an abstract construct of ours, and something we sort of experience. This brings about an issue with the OP's question. How are we supposed to understand the word limited? I say logic is applicable to anything, but it does not explain everything about what it is applied to.

    As for whether or not there is truth outside of logic, I'd say know. True and false are the most basic components of logic. Even acknowledge your illogically formed values requires you to make a statement about them with in the real of true/false.
    Interesting... A good explanation of what logic is. By limited I mean are there things that can go beyond human logic and understanding? If there are than logic is therefore limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ If you consider the theory of evolution your theory of human logic not being limited would be false.
    info is limited
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    ^ Information is limited therefore logic is limited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ If you consider the theory of evolution your theory of human logic not being limited would be false.
    Interesting... A good explanation of what logic is. By limited I mean are there things that can go beyond human logic and understanding? If there are than logic is therefore limited.
    Of course there are. Why would the universe work the same way as our thoughts and move in the same way as the rules we invent. Our understanding is in this domain because it is our comfortable way of modelling it. The truth of the processes could be anything. It may not be definable in human thought.

    As you said also, our perception is limited, hence logic is limited. Crap in = crap out.
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