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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Ok..either our definition of logic is different, or we disagree. What I mean is, an animal has the capacity to see that a+b=c. Aka, there's food on the table, getting the food is self-rewarding, but the owner is in the room which= punishment. So the animal waits till the owner is gone to get the food and thus having its cake(or meat) and eat it. It's called operant conditioning.

    Other examples are for instance when researchers present the animal with a puzzle or riddle to get to a food reward they really like. They may not be as good at it as we are, but up to a certain level, they figure it out, and often they surprise us with their ingenuity.
    Oh! Well, you see, I'd call that figuring out how to do stuff. Not logic. Logic is more like this:

    Socrates is a man.

    All men are mortal.

    Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ Yea, I know, but is it limited?
    Using logic is limited by the person's capability to meaningfully categorize, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanamori View Post
    Limited by the person's capability to meaningfully categorize, at least.
    Is that limited too?

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    I'd say it's the limiting factor. The rules of logic are pretty simple, not knowing that x is actually a y that looks like x is where things usually go wrong.

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    ^ And so the rules are limited, yes?

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    That's the idea/point of logic, I think.

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    ^ Therefore I go back to the question I asked athenian. Can truth go beyond the rules of logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Can truth go beyond human logic?
    Yes.

    God.

    Thats right I said it.
    You can call me Charles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    Yes.

    God.

    Thats right I said it.


    Oh, you're a myth believer. How amusing!

    Ahem. But yeah, nothing wrong with that. There's a lot of good stuff in Christianity. But I don't think God has any place in a discussion about knowledge. That's entirely based on faith, not knowledge.

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