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    @krunchtime: Yes, the internet has it's effects on the mind. I wouldn't mind being L in a fantasy world at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Yea but it currently has limits hmm? Anyways, I feel like I'm talking to the homeless guy in your avatar and it's just weird that he talk about all these theories.
    We answered that already
    In actuality it has limits as we're only living on one planet and are subject to the different laws of space time,
    in terms of range it doesn't have limits as it's all a matter of defining the elements used for the analysis,
    right now our limits are our knowledge (ex: emotions are too gestalt like to be computed accurately, but this doesn't mean they can't be analysed logically structurally speaking).

    Now in terms of theoretical potentiality logic doesn't have any internal limitation so it can expand ad eternam if the laws of physics allow for it, and that last part is simply an unknown.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Yes current logic has limits. If that's the question then the answer is clear imo.
    Yes, it was good to see what you said on the matter. A very cheerful discussion with some nice heavy points in. Well, I guess I'll stop posting here for now. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    We answered that already
    In actuality it has limits as we're only living on one planet and are subject to the different laws of space time,
    in terms of range it doesn't have limits as it's all a matter of defining the elements used for the analysis,
    right now our limits are our knowledge (ex: emotions are too gestalt like to be computed accurately, but this doesn't mean they can't be analysed logically structurally speaking).

    Now in terms of theoretical potentiality logic doesn't have any internal limitation so it can expand ad eternam if the laws of physics allow for it, and that last part is simply an unknown.
    I very much like your explanation. I don't really have anything that I would disagree with here as it makes a lot of sense. I guess I was getting a bit confused back there. Thanks for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    Here is something that's not known because of the limits to our logic.
    0/0
    0 or 1?
    or
    1/0
    Sorry to nitpick, but if division is defined such that "a/b is x if and only if a=bx", then there are accurate answers to those questions (you may not like them).

    what x satisfies 0=0x? Any finite x.
    what x satisfies 1=0x? No finite x.

    The problem, unfortunately, is that I you cannot replace "is" with "=" without overloading the "=". Because equality has to satisfy identity (x=x), symmetry (a=b iff b=a) and transitivity (a=b and b=c implies a=c), and other operators (+,*) already use "=" in arithmetic, forming the equivalence classes that we call numbers.

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    Logic is limited to what is considered logical.
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Logic is limited to what is considered logical.
    That's a circular delimitation/definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    That's a circular delimitation/definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    That's a circular delimitation/definition.
    Unfortunately, at some point, you either have to assume a term is simply known and not define it, or have a circular definition.

    Neither option is pleasant.

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    I'd rather not define it than utilize a circular definition.

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