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    Do you like being in the leadership or management role? (in whatever context) Why or why not?
    Would you seek it, choose it voluntarily, accept it at others' request, or try to avoid it?

    Responsibility and management: How do you feel about bearing responsibility for so many processes? What do you like and dislike about this?

    What about delegating tasks to other people, and making decisions about priorities and plans of action involving those other people? "Management" in that sense of the word.

    I have never really been in a leadership position for anything, or managed anything except my own stuff. I'm not really sure how to approach it, not sure whether I'd like it. It would be nice to "try it out" in some kind of testing ground, but doing that in an important position seems too risky a way to try a first-time effort.
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    We INTJ's do not go looking for leadership postitions. We take over when current leadership is unacceptable. Or so I'm told. I have no desire to take a management position at work. I do well enough with people but it requires a special kind of person who isn't exausted by subordinates and eventually resentful of them. I don't want to do that to them or myself so no; Home is another story. I don't have an issue with that sort of management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Do you like being in the leadership or management role? (in whatever context) Why or why not?
    Would you seek it, choose it voluntarily, accept it at others' request, or try to avoid it?
    I haven't really been in a leadership/management role too often, and I honestly don't think I would like it. It seems like too much responsibility, plus you have to tell people what to do (at least a little bit), and that's really not my strong point. But the fact that it's probably a lot of responsibility would make me avoid it.

    I would not willingly seek it out. If someone requested me to accept it, I guess I would, of course it would depend on what my options are. If life becomes easier after getting the position, then why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Responsibility and management: How do you feel about bearing responsibility for so many processes? What do you like and dislike about this?
    Exactly - the responsibility itself is what I dislike. The security is probably would I would like, if I'm in a position which is secure. The power would also be something good, because I guess I'm in more of a position to do whatever I want.

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    Do you like being in the leadership or management role? (in whatever context) Why or why not?

    Responsibility and management: How do you feel about bearing responsibility for so many processes? What do you like and dislike about this?


    No, I don't like it. I can do it for a short while but the stess involved is really not worth the trouble. I'm a bit of a perfectionist. Ok, I'm a control freak when it comes to myself. I have no problems with taking responsibility for my own actions as I try to do the best I can to meet my own standards and get the job done.

    With others it's such a hassle. Being responsible for other people whom I can't control or fully trust is exhausting. But it also depends on the people I'm working with, if they are to be trusted and they form a team, if there is mutual respect, then I might consider taking the lead.

    I'd rather work on my own, for myself, without any superiors or subordinates.

    Would you seek it, choose it voluntarily, accept it at others' request, or try to avoid it?

    I would definitely not seek it. But I wouldn't say that I'd go out of my way to avoid it either. I would choose it voluntarily or accept it if others request it if I see that there is already a good team/I can choose the people in the team or if things are really getting out of hand and I could make a difference.

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    I don't mind it either way, though I frequently see more efficient ways of doing things from a lower level, so I'd rather experience jobs from the lower level and then move up.. That way I see it from all angles.

    If I'm not in a leadership position, I have no problem pointing out or suggesting things to help out everyone until I am.
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    management...erm, no. im not the right kind of person for it and im usually not that good at it. it goes against who i am.
    as intp, if i can't work alone im faced two horrible options, to be bossed around or to control others. which one i choose depends on my mood and energy levels at the time. if someone asks me to manage something i will but im still a poor manager.
    i don't have a problem with responsibility, i'm pretty strong, i can take it. so i suppose in that sense, i could be a good manager. i like it when things are getting chaotic, i can take the stress and not even an invasion of zombies is going to make me loose my head. i notice that's what happens when things get scary, i become leader and manager, even if its only because im the only competent one left.
    but all this being said, at work, i seem to wind up in big sister roles with the younger ones which has a managerial element to it. they latch onto me personally. But the older girls end up taking the mother role with me as im just a disaster zone. im not in need of a role model but i do need someone to help me organize myself and give me a direction in which to channel my energy. i have a pretty funny relationship with an ISTJ girl, who does these things for me while shaking her head at my silly jokes. even the ESFP takes that role with me, somewhat.
    leadership seems to come naturally to me. i lead people through my ideas. its not a role i consciously seek, it's one i will often see myself playing if i look back at a situation.
    but enough about me

    I have never really been in a leadership position for anything, or managed anything except my own stuff. I'm not really sure how to approach it, not sure whether I'd like it. It would be nice to "try it out" in some kind of testing ground, but doing that in an important position seems too risky a way to try a first-time effort.
    Js aren't leaders, they're managers. as a J you should naturally have a managers brain. But because you're an I you may have to learn coping mechanisms to deal with larger group of people. EJs are the managers of us all. Haven't you noticed already, whether or not your controlling in small group situations? the ISTJs i know are can't help but bloom when it comes to details and order which is a strength when it comes to control.
    And everyone screws up the first time, anyway, so chillout.
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    Whatever the area, I learned it must be a process that gives me pleasure outside of "strictly management". I could possibly see myself in a leadership role, if it was in a creative endeavor but it's a question that for me is always very context dependent. I don't feel like I'd make a good leader in the traditional sense unless I had a certain degree of freedom and personal attachment to said project.

    I could see myself as a movie director for example, working towards my vision of things and letting people under me contribute, but if I had all kinds of producers being a pain in my arse, it would possibly feel too limited.

    That is why, huge projects/companies rarely appeal to me. A more familial setting is needed for certain things. And in such an environment I could very well deal with responsibility provided my stamp was supposed to be all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Do you like being in the leadership or management role? (in whatever context) Why or why not?
    Would you seek it, choose it voluntarily, accept it at others' request, or try to avoid it?
    I'd certainly never avoid it. I'd be most likely to accept it at others' request. Sometimes I'll choose it voluntarily, and I have even sought it a few times, which made me feel kind of ... I suppose I wanted to prove something to myself.
    There's a big difference between management and leadership. Management's all about maintenance - maintaining the group's efficiency and completing tasks. Managers will coordinate activity underneath them and have a group work towards a task for the sake of getting the task done. A leader will motivate people to work towards something purely because they want to, and because in a sense, they feel like they're doing it for themselves - self-interest and interest for the group become more or less the same thing. Leadership's less about maintaining and more about improving... I guess there's more of a 'vision' in mind. The objectives of leadership are to achieve group cohesion and a synergetic feel.
    I like leadership and I like management conditionally... it depends on the task. One often ends up encompassing the other anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Responsibility and management: How do you feel about bearing responsibility for so many processes? What do you like and dislike about this?
    The responsibility doesn't hassle me. If it does, it's often my fault for micro-managing. It's best when everyone feels equally responsible, even if that's not really the case .
    Ummm, what I don't like is when the leadership role becomes not so much about leading or the work you're doing, but more about presenting as some kind of figurehead (I'm in one of those now... ). I'm better in a vice/second-in-command kind of role, which I gravitate towards anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    I have never really been in a leadership position for anything, or managed anything except my own stuff. I'm not really sure how to approach it, not sure whether I'd like it. It would be nice to "try it out" in some kind of testing ground, but doing that in an important position seems too risky a way to try a first-time effort.
    Leadership doesn't always mean being on top. It's about the influence you have over people (which is best and most effectively exerted in subtle ways, like leading by example), and whether they turn to you for direction. I've been in group situations where the people underneath have demonstrated more leadership that the 'leaders' up top. It's very interesting to watch. People will pick up on leadership and yield to a good leader no matter where they are. Sometimes they even do this without even noticing.
    If you're interested in going for a management role... I would begin with taking on some more responsibility, making this known to your superior, and demonstrating that you can get tasks done quickly and efficiently.
    If you're interested in leadership, get to know your group and think of ways that you could motivate them to love what they're doing.
    Good luck with it!


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