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    Lex Parsimoniae Xander's Avatar
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    Okay htb I've drawn a blank. Have a look for yourself and see what you think.
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    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I do realise that they are two separate systems but they are still both centred on the person who's answering the questions and that's where the two systems interact. What I cannot figure is how the two systems interact in a more conceptual and theoretical way.
    I think you are right that both systems can have an influence on taking a test for the other, but that is the user’s unwillingness to be honest and introspective. One is cognitive based (MBTI) and the other emotional based (Enneagram). Fives and Nines are different and many male Nines mistype as Fives because
    Part of the problem stems from the fact that individuals of both types can be highly intelligent, although as a group Fives are probably the most intelligent of the nine personality types. (When Nines are highly intelligent, they can be as brilliant as Fives, although their intellectual prowess is compartmentalized. They are brilliant at work but unfocused and inattentive everywhere else, whereas Fives are focused and attentive everywhere all the time.) Although intelligence can be manifested in different ways, being intelligent does not make Nines intellectuals, just as thinking does not make them thinkers. As we have seen, the pattern as a whole (and the motivations) must be taken into consideration, not one or two traits in isolation. Since all the types think in one way or another, thinking alone, with no further distinction, is not a sufficient basis for a personality diagnosis.

    The fundamental difference between the thinking of Nines and that of Fives is that Nines are impressionistic, involved with generalities, imaginative ruminations, and fanciful situations. Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, nor are they usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is highly focused, penetrating, and almost microscopic in the narrowness of its frame of reference. Fives love details, losing themselves in research, scholarship, and complex intellectual pursuits. They think in depth, concentrating so much that they block out other perceptions (eventually to their detriment). By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off when they become bored or anxious.

    Nines tend to spin grand, sweeping, idealistic solutions to problems, while Fives tend to speculate on problems, then on the problems that their problems have raised, then on those problems, ad infinitum. Nines may be gifted storytellers, able to communicate simply and effectively to others, even to children. Fives usually communicate to only a few or keep their ideas entirely to themselves. (Moreover, their ideas may be so complicated that they are difficult to communicate to all but other specialists.) Nines usually do not consider the consequences of their actions; Fives are extremely interested in predicting the consequences of every action. Nines idealize the world and create imaginary worlds in which good always triumphs over evil; Fives analyze the real world and create horrifying scenarios in which evil usually triumphs over good or exists in tension with it. Nines simplify; Fives complexify. Nines look to the past; Fives to the future. Nines are fantasists; Fives are theorists. Nines are disengaged; Fives are detached. Nines are utopians; Fives are nihilists. Nines are optimists; Fives are pessimists. Nines are open; Fives are resistant. Nines are non-threatening and nonjudgmental; Fives are defensive and contentious. Nines are at peace; Fives are in tension. Nines end in dissociation; Fives in paranoia.

    Comparisons and contrasts such as these could be multiplied almost indefinitely because, while these two types are such opposites, they are also paradoxically similar. What they have in common is the tendency to ask "What if?" questions. The difference is in their response: Nines tend to ruminate on their fantasies, while Fives attempt to see if their ideas could come true. The Nine's ideas usually involve a single insight that, while true enough, is often impractical and goes nowhere. For instance, a Nine may think that the way to world peace is "for everyone to love one another." While this is doubtlessly true, the problem not addressed is how to get everyone to love one another. A Five wondering about the same problem would write a treatise on world peace after doing exhaustive historical research, eventually erecting a grand theory of peace. (The Five's ideas may also come to nothing, but at least they are pursued, and practical results may eventually come of them.) To give another example, a Nine might wonder what it is like to fly and make up a story about it. A Five might wonder how to fly and invent an airplane or do research on birds or design a rocket.

    In short, Nines have an active fantasy life and think that they have deep thoughts. Sometimes they do, of course, although the thinking of intelligent, well-educated Nines tends to be in the direction of simplifying reality and cutting through abstruse thickets to get at the kernel of truth beneath. Nines tend to see things the way they want them to be; they reinterpret reality to make it more comforting and less threatening, simpler and less daunting. By contrast, the thinking of Fives is complex. By attempting to arrive at a grand unifying theory that encompasses and explains everything, average Fives end up involved in increasing complications and abstractions. Their thought is focused on specifics, often highly technical and concerned with foresight and the consequences of acting one way rather than another. But at an extreme, Fives risk seeing reality not as it is but as a projection of their preoccupations and fears. They distort their perceptions of reality so that reality seems more negative and threatening than it actually is.

    Nines feel at ease in the world, and their style of thinking reflects their unconscious desire to merge with the world. Fives are afraid of being overwhelmed by the world, and their intellectual efforts are an unconscious defense against the world, an attempt to master it intellectually. There is a world of difference between these two types since they see the world so differently. Compare Charles Darwin (a Five) and Walt Disney (a Nine), Albert Einstein (a Five) and Jim Henson (a Nine) to understand the similarities and differences between these two types more clearly.
    Also there are triads in the enneagram, dividing the types by anger or rage (8,9,1) shame (2,3,4) and by anxiety (5,6,7). The emotions of those types for 5 and 9 are:
    In the Instinctive triad Nines deny their anger and instinctual energies as if to say, "What anger? I am not a person who gets angry." Nines are the type most out of touch with their anger and instinctual energies, often feeling threatened by them. Of course, Nines get angry like everyone else, but try to stay out of their darker feelings by focusing on idealizations of their relationships and their world.

    In the Thinking Triad, Fives have anxiety about the outer world and about their capacity to cope with it. Thus, they cope with their fear by withdrawing from the world. Fives become secretive, isolated loners who use their minds to penetrate into the nature of the world. Fives hope that eventually, as they understand reality on their own terms, they will be able to rejoin the world and participate in it, but they never feel they know enough to participate with total confidence. Instead, they involve themselves with increasingly complex inner worlds.

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    I'm so not a classical 9.

    Btw, was that description written by a 5 or something? Reading it the underlying current seems to be that 9s are kinda hippyish and 5s are brilliant but haunted people. I know they are probably extremes for illustrative purposes but it really doesn't read too well for a 9.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Hmmm I think you're a negative feedback person.
    I prefer constructive criticism, though you may have exclusively meant something pertaining to the Enneagram.

    Nah I think it's more likely that the problem with some of the "INTP"s is that they're 5s who think that means they're INTPs when actually they aren't.
    Good. I was hoping my initial conclusion wasn't wrong for that reason. Tee-hee!

    Have a look for yourself and see what you think.
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    Descriptions of the Enneagram One differ from source to source, of course, but they fit me well enough. And, perhaps still locatable on INTPCentral, I tested as a Four during a time of acute stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    ...Also there are triads in the enneagram, dividing the types by anger or rage (8,9,1) shame (2,3,4) and by anxiety (5,6,7). The emotions of those types for 5 and 9 are:
    So my life is fueled by shame and anxiety?



    Yep, that about sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Also there are triads in the enneagram, dividing the types by anger or rage (8,9,1) shame (2,3,4) and by anxiety (5,6,7). The emotions of those types for 5 and 9 are:
    In which case I'm still a 5w8 or 8w5!!
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    I still continue to search for my Enneagram type and that made me wonder what Enneagram & MBTI type combinations there are in MBTIc.

    So, the questions are:

    What are your Enneagram & MBTI types?
    How does the combination fit to the MBTI & Enneagram correlations presented in Type Correlations.
    (Thanks for the link Magic Poriferan!)

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    well, most of them are rather spot on with me! ESTP- 7w8 sx who scored highest as Adventurous type!
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    It's a system that is interesting to promote thought about people's motivations instead of just personality traits. However, the type descriptions are vague and can vary greatly between authors. Another problem is that motivations are not directly observable and their identification is somewhat of an art, which makes the Enneagram an essentially unfalsifiable theory.

    I relate less and less to the Enneagram and do not identify myself with any particular type anymore.

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    Well, I'm a 1/2, and an INTP. I'm Intimate(sexual) and Asocial.

    That description hits the bullseye. That's exactly what I am.
    Now, it's a little strange, because you can see that such a combination is not common. I do not think it is a sign of any flaw, however, because I have a very easy time putting my types together, and because they are so accurate.

    I don't know about your situation. You know at this point what are typical types for an ENFP. If you're still stumped, then you might consider that you're in the same position as me. Some kind of freak of type.
    (and you are so welcome!)
    Last edited by Magic Poriferan; 12-16-2007 at 05:30 PM. Reason: a word was missing >_>
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