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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    how is Ni a left brained trait? It deals with abstraction mostly doesnt it? I am a left handed INFJ who lives on Ni, I am so right brained its ridiculous.
    Me too! Isn't it great!

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    First, a brief article on general brain regions on the 8 functions:

    MBTI Brain Types | Lenore Thomson Bentz

    Then, from wikipedia on brain lateralization:

    Left vs. Right

    Linear reasoning and language functions such as grammar and vocabulary often are lateralized to the left hemisphere of the brain. Dyscalculia is a neurological syndrome associated with damage to the left temporo-parietal junction. This syndrome is associated with poor numeric manipulation, poor mental arithmetic skill, and the inability to either understand or apply mathematical concepts.

    In contrast, prosodic language functions, such as intonation and accentuation, often are lateralized to the right hemisphere of the brain. Functions such as the processing of visual and audiological stimuli, spatial manipulation, facial perception, and artistic ability seem to be functions of the right hemisphere.

    Other integrative functions, including arithmetic, binaural sound localization, and emotions, seem more bilaterally controlled.

    Left hemisphere functions
    numerical computation (exact calculation, numerical comparison, estimation)
    left hemisphere only: direct fact retrieval
    language: grammar/vocabulary, literal

    Right hemisphere functions
    numerical computation (approximate calculation, numerical comparison, estimation)
    language: intonation/accentuation, prosody, pragmatic, contextual

    So, left-brained vs right-brained is a pretty course simplification, at best, but is still useful conceptually. The corpus callosum can only carry so much information between the hemispheres, so does make some sense for there to be greater integration between functions in the same hemisphere.

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    right brain is multiplicity and left-brain is singularity. left brain is more focused on internal organization and right brain is more focused on branching possibilities.

    extraverted perception goes wiht introverted judgment
    introverted percetpion goes wih extroverted judgment

    Pe needs Ji to balance, find internal structure, store its evaluations and judgment patterns so taht it can respond to a wide ranging perceptual openness to the world, merging with experience.

    Pi needs Je to balance, find external structure, restraint, and objective/goal/purpose to balance its inward desire to represent the world and understood it within a vast framework of perceptions.

    P keeps judgments, J keeps perceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    The brain is not the heart. People actually draw it the right way!

    The easiest way to remember it is this.

    Left brain controls RIGHT hand.
    Right brain controls LEFT hand.

    Most people are right-handed, most people are conventional, therefore
    LEFT BRAIN = structured/logical

    Then you have the lefties, these guys are "artsy", so
    RIGHT BRAIN = visual/holistic
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    This isn't true at all, sorry.
    This is actually really going to bug me now, because I took both anatomy and psychology. How do they draw brains in textbooks?!?!

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    i don't know, tell us. tell us what the brain really is. let us better understand the brain and what that means about who we are, how we work, and what we can do.

    i wish i knew more about anatomy and neuroscience. cognitive science is an amazing field in understanding how these processes work in their gory complexity and how intelligence emerges out of more endlessly differentiated and developed forms of infrastructure, communication, and information exchange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    If "Left-brained" is a verbal-oriented, and "Right-brained" is picture oriented, then what is kinesthetic learning?
    I think this view is dated with all the fMRI brain scans these days.

    if you want a great insight into left/right brain (brain lateralization) check out this video

    Jill Bolte Taylor's stroke of insight | Video on TED.com


    generally speaking, left brain is sequential, singular and separating. right brain is parallel, holistic and connecting.

    as it pertains to MBTI, those with a J preference is left brained, and those with a P preference is right brained. The link between MBTI cognitive functions and brain location is in the book personality type by Lenore Thomson. (iirc)

    Of course these are preferences and brain dominances. And not everyone will fit the mold.

    I haven't come across anything specific about preferred learning styles other than to point you towards neurogenesis as the brain develops from birth.

    The first few years after birth, the brain is mush and it begins to setup the structure to do the thinking we do today. After this setup period, it becomes specialized and optimized. Perhaps with the aid of genetics and hormones and environmental factors, the brain finds that certain pathways are better equipped in learning the world around them.

    hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Dover View Post
    hate to break it to you, but your not going to find answers to very many of these questions on this forum. Try getting off the computer and enrolling in some psychology classes. Then maybe you might be able to figure out the answers yourself.
    the spirit and idea of insight we get from these things is far more important than our descriptions of them within any specific language. we can build models of them and new technologies out of our sciences that will help us eventually understand what wisdom actually lies within them.

    and i am in school learning about the world and communicating what i learn with other people, but thanks for playing this little and unnecessary game of distractions. your tone is empty negation, you should delete it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    First, a brief article on general brain regions on the 8 functions:

    MBTI Brain Types | Lenore Thomson Bentz

    Then, from wikipedia on brain lateralization:

    ...

    So, left-brained vs right-brained is a pretty course simplification, at best, but is still useful conceptually. The corpus callosum can only carry so much information between the hemispheres, so does make some sense for there to be greater integration between functions in the same hemisphere.
    So you could say linguists are generally more balanced between Left vs Right brained-ness? I would say a Left brained person would be the person complaining about how hard a language is to pronounce while the right brained person would be struggling with grammar. I dunno, but language is a factor while I'm here in Finland, so learning about how it is learned is interesting.

    My ENFP friend is good at quickly mixing and matching words into something that would be gibberish if you weren't used to him doing it. Switching the beginnings of words around like 'Magpie' would be 'Pagmie.'

    So the way of thinking about left vs right brain in a metaphoric way could be that Right brained-ness seems more erratic than left brained-ness. Hare versus the tortoise? All I know is that I seem to flip between the two often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    This isn't true at all, sorry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Dover View Post
    This is actually really going to bug me now, because I took both anatomy and psychology. How do they draw brains in textbooks?!?!
    How/which part am I incorrect? I was merely telling people my way of recalling the general concepts of left/right brain theories. Obviously to do anything requires interactions of both hemispheres. Please clarify FDG.

    Ben, here's a picture depicting the language centers of the brain.



    This is on the left hemisphere. As you can see here, frontal lobe is in front, orbital lobe is behind. That gives you the left hemisphere. No mirror image like the case in the heart.
    It's typically located in the left hemisphere.
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    Oh, okay, if you were just telling your way to remember them, I didn't get it. I thought you were also claiming that right-handed people were predominantly left-brained referring to the personality-traits of right-left brain
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