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    why did god make so many stupid people?

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    Why do so many people have the illusion that we live in a world where mass suffering is a rare event, only a small portion of people hold the capacity to cause this kind of suffering, and that they would never take advantage of another person? The truth of the matter is that the greater portion of the world's population is suffering, every single person born has the capacity to cause great suffering (it just takes the right environment/situation), and most people in "civilized" societies have taken benefit from extortion (living on land that was gained through genocide or theft, wearing clothes that were made in sweatshops, or willingly accepting any other resources that were gained only through the use of other people).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not View Post
    Why do so many people have the illusion that we live in a world where mass suffering is a rare event, only a small portion of people hold the capacity to cause this kind of suffering, and that they would never take advantage of another person?

    The truth of the matter is that the greater portion of the world's population is suffering, every single person born has the capacity to cause great suffering (it just takes the right environment/situation), and most people in "civilized" societies have taken benefit from extortion (living on land that was gained through genocide or theft, wearing clothes that were made in sweatshops, or willingly accepting any other resources that were gained only through the use of other people).
    How do you know we don't hold that illusion, and just don't care as long as we and our friends aren't the ones who suffer? I mean, should we be expected to give up what we have because of where it came from, and risk bringing suffering/loss on ourselves? Why should we make it our problem if those people you speak of, who are suffering, never did anything for us, or care about us? There's no reason to.

    How do you know we don't help the people we help to make ourselves look good? And doesn't it make them look generous to themselves, to have done something for someone else for nothing? Why is the idea of pure self-interest so painful and hard to accept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    How do you know we don't hold that illusion, and just don't care as long as we and our friends aren't the ones who suffer? I mean, should we be expected to give up what we have because of where it came from, and risk bringing suffering/loss on ourselves? Why should we make it our problem if those people you speak of, who are suffering, never did anything for us, or care about us? There's no reason to.

    How do you know we don't help the people we help to make ourselves look good? And doesn't it make them look generous to themselves, to have done something for someone else for nothing? Why is the idea of pure self-interest so painful and hard to accept?
    Maybe I was referring to an entirely different group of people, and not your type of person? I myself am out for pure self-interest, which is partially why I made that post in the first place. If I were actually against that kind of behavior, it would have been dreadfully hypocritical and all, sitting in my comfy house on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not View Post
    Maybe I was referring to an entirely different group of people, and not your type of person? I myself am out for pure self-interest, which is partially why I made that post in the first place. If I were actually against that kind of behavior, it would have been dreadfully hypocritical and all, sitting in my comfy house on the internet.
    Is guilt hypocricy?

    You drink your cheap coffee (produced by slave labour) from your cheap coffee mug (produced by slave labour) while wearing cheap jeans (produced by slave labour) and a cheap cotton shirt to match (produced by slave labour) and cheap sandals (produced by slave labour).

    Then you find out that the red brick house on the other side of the street is an illegal workshop.
    Twenty imported, undernourished and beaten children work there 18 hours a day, without pay. You know this, because they run a brothel also, using these same children, and there are rumours.

    And then you decide to make this anonymous phone call to the police.
    You watch from your window when the police arrives with sirens blaring.
    Was it hypocricy that caused you make the call? Or is it guilt?

    Maybe the police does not arrive.
    By then you know they are in on the game.
    Does this additional piece of new information make you feel better? More hypocritical perhaps?

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    Is it then that we live to guess?
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    holy shit am I a feeler?
    if you like my avatar, it's because i took it myself! : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    Is it then that we live to guess?
    And here we have The First Prize Question.

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    LOLZ i got wildcat!!!!

    But it can't be such a simple concept, can it? Surely at least more complicated than this thread makes it seem lol. I dunno.

    We know we can never get confirmation though..to see if we're right or wrong. Though by living you are presenting to the world your alleged question, you can keep it to yourself a lot of the time, right? Well, I guess that doesn't matter. We'll always be taking in things, trying to figure ourselves out.

    So what happens when we are willing to stop guessing? Is that truth? Or is it just death?
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    holy shit am I a feeler?
    if you like my avatar, it's because i took it myself! : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Is guilt hypocricy?

    You drink your cheap coffee (produced by slave labour) from your cheap coffee mug (produced by slave labour) while wearing cheap jeans (produced by slave labour) and a cheap cotton shirt to match (produced by slave labour) and cheap sandals (produced by slave labour).

    Then you find out that the red brick house on the other side of the street is an illegal workshop.
    Twenty imported, undernourished and beaten children work there 18 hours a day, without pay. You know this, because they run a brothel also, using these same children, and there are rumours.

    And then you decide to make this anonymous phone call to the police.
    You watch from your window when the police arrives with sirens blaring.
    Was it hypocricy that caused you make the call? Or is it guilt?

    Maybe the police does not arrive.
    By then you know they are in on the game.
    Does this additional piece of new information make you feel better? More hypocritical perhaps?
    They are totally unrelated. Hypocrisy starts when you attack someone else.

    You can feel guilty for being hypocritical. In this situation, I suppose you would only be able to feel guilty at the end, because you weren't able to do anything. And then the feeling of being hypocritical would come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    holy shit am I a feeler?
    if you like my avatar, it's because i took it myself! : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    So what happens when we are willing to stop guessing? Is that truth? Or is it just death?
    We stop being human.

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