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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post

    That actually isn't true as of June of this year. Still, I'm in luck, so I digress.
    I think you might be confusing "passport" with a "visa".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Well put your money where you mouth is. You have all the opportunities that can be afforded to you. You don't need a visa to go to Canada, and we have NAFTA in place - so if somebody in Canada is interested in your abilities, you are welcome to take advantage of that opportunity.
    Actually for a lot of occupations, Canada is very closed to non Canadians. Like its very difficult for an American lawyer to practice in Canada, while its relatively easy for a Canadian lawyer to practice in America.

    But to me, America is where the best and the brightest should congregate to innovate, research, and push boundaries, technologically, financially, etc...

    Once that stops, having an American education won't be worth much anymore... which is much scarier than any housing/financial crisis.

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    hmm suddenly it seems like I was right, there is no damn culture here, start a topic about america's culture, speak nothing of it, and end it with unemployment and obesity, yes....

    Another major problem here is that the definition of culture is very subjective, what does culture even mean to you people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    But to me, America is where the best and the brightest should congregate to innovate, research, and push boundaries, technologically, financially, etc...

    Once that stops, having an American education won't be worth much anymore... which is much scarier than any housing/financial crisis.
    Who said that any of that stuff is going to stop, or that they want it to? Even the most liberal of the liberals agree that people should congregate here to innovate, research, push boundaries, etc. And an American education won't mean much? What does that even mean?

    I'm sorry, nothing personal, maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that's crazy right-wing paranoia talking if I've ever seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    No, not really. It doesn't say he is starving. Just that he is a Tanzanian child.

    You are working from an assumption that all Tanzanian children are malnourished.
    Well in terms of Athenians original point, you can be consuming enough calories to make yourself fat but still potentially be lacking in important nutrients.

    I suppose it depends how you define malnourished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    Actually for a lot of occupations, Canada is very closed to non Canadians. Like its very difficult for an American lawyer to practice in Canada, while its relatively easy for a Canadian lawyer to practice in America.
    And for a good reason too. The American Bar Association has all but destroyed the legal profession in the U.S. by creating a glut of law schools and at the same time allowing outsourcing of American legal work. Now the whole supply vs demand with attornys is totally out of wack. If anything, I applaud Canada for their prudent actions (concerning the legal profession anyway - I don't know what's up with the other professions).

    But to me, America is where the best and the brightest should congregate to innovate, research, and push boundaries, technologically, financially, etc...

    Once that stops, having an American education won't be worth much anymore... which is much scarier than any housing/financial crisis.
    I'm afraid we've been heading down that path for a while now. There has been a tremendous inflation of education in the last couple of decades.
    B.A. is now the equivalent of what high school diploma used to be. There is a mass delusion on behalf of the general public and populist politicians that if only everyone would have a degree, everyone will be a highly compensated white collar professional... which of course, is an idiotic concept. But then again, idiocy and populism often go hand in hand.
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    The United States is a state-nation (rather than a nation-state) organized around and based explicitly on classical liberal norms of values. The normative presumption of individualism (along with institutional incentives) has permeated, bounded, and over time either moderated or overcome both left-wing and right-wing populism. Some lament the entrenched individualist streak within American culture, but I consider it an overall strength (and certainly a defining characteristic) of the United States. Somewhat paradoxically, it has enabled (civic) nationalism to thrive alongside an individualist mindset, which seems very rare outside the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    The United States is a state-nation (rather than a nation-state) organized around and based explicitly on classical liberal norms of values. The normative presumption of individualism (along with institutional incentives) has permeated, bounded, and over time either moderated or overcome both left-wing and right-wing populism. Some lament the entrenched individualist streak within American culture, but I consider it an overall strength (and certainly a defining characteristic) of the United States. Somewhat paradoxically, it has enabled (civic) nationalism to thrive alongside an individualist mindset, which seems very rare outside the United States.
    I would guess that is due to the fact that America doesn't really have an internal single-culture hegemony, being a nation of immigrants and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I would guess that is due to the fact that America doesn't really have an internal single-culture hegemony, being a nation of immigrants and all.
    That's certainly a major part of it, but look back to the debate over the Constitution; both the writers of the Federalist Papers and most of the diverse Anti-federalist writers generally agreed that classical liberal assumptions were the basis of the legitimacy of their arguments (they simply disagreed on the details). But yeah, the lack of of a dominant ethnic culture was (and has been since) a huge factor (my own contemporary American ancestors were either ethnic German or Cherokee at that time, rather than the cultural Englishman of John Jay's imagination!).
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    Athenian, I wonder how many things are totally original... I don't think very many. Culture is something people have w/o it necessarily being 100% made from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Actually there are people who willingly want to be in health facilities who can't stay there longer than a few days because there just isn't funding for it. Or who are just so disturbed they honestly don't know what's going on one way or the other.

    And to hospitalize someone who is TRULY out of their mind with dementia, schizophrenia, alzheimers, etc. isn't "fascist" it's compassion. That's why legal documents contain statements such as "I, being of SOUND MIND..." and there also exists such a thing as power of attorney. I'm not suggesting we keep folks with mild cases of bipolar disorder or generalized anxiety disorder in institutions.
    Ever been inside one?? Most of the people don't seem too happy about being drugged up with lithium and shizz, and being stuck there and then forcibly drugged up seems to make them feel shittier than they did before the dude stuck them in the arm.

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