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    Human behaviors in groups is what you are talking about. The behavior of the collective is different than the behavior of the individual. Just about anything you look at is different when viewed from different perspectives. It is the old spotlight vs. floodlight scenario where you see different aspects of the same picture when viewed at the macro (collective) and micro (individual) level. You should google "group behavior of human beings" in general. I'm sure most people on the forum already know my loathing of humanity based upon its collective behaviors, so I'll spare you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    You should google "group behavior of human beings" in general.
    It's called sociology.

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    I have this INFP friends who just wilts in a crowd and gets all upset. Taking him to a hockey game was a big mistake (Why are they shouting!?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by briochick View Post
    I'm just sort of mulling over these thoughts so they may only be half formed.
    Has anyone else noticed a rather pervasive pack mentality (dominants, submissive, levels of dominance, fights for dominance) among people? Especially extroverted types? I feel like in the last year I really have.
    Like, I would say that my brother is an alpha male, or close.
    My father...wants to be. I think he's the dangerous kind, a partially dominant male who wishes to be alpha. He and my bro used to butt heads all the time. But now my father bends to my brother, not vise versa.
    My sister is dominant until you stand up to her and assert dominance, then she fawns. I find it kind of offensive but it serves my point.
    This last year at work there was a power play among the new teachers that I wasn't even aware of until I'd been shoved to the bottom of the dominance train. And then they expected me to be submissive even though *I'd* never conceded dominance. Most people seem to cede to this subtle tendency. Especially women. Especially E women. It irritates the crap out of me. Now, some women I've met have no problem being told what to do and being bossed about.
    I do. I have no desire to dominate or to be dominated. I feel a bit outside the order of things. Unfortunately I think that leads a lot of people to think I'm a ubersubmissive, like an ISFJ, because I don't fight at all for dominance. Then they can't figure out why I dig my claws in when I start being bossed about.
    But, lately, I feel I've been learning to play by the rules of the pack, so to speak. You know, identify the pack leaders, whether male or female, alli myself with some faction, assert support of the dominant, submit, or involve myself in subterfuge. It's depressing, quite frankly, but that's beside the point.
    We're people, individuals. We have evolved brains. So, why is it that we respond this way? And, why do I find that I have to respond this way if I don't want to be a lone wolf? Isn't it odd?
    Now that you recognize what it is you can exploit it. Most people don't get this far, they just assume their roles. The INFP thing to do might be to enlighten everyone as to what is actually going on but I promise you that will not get you far. Most people will choose the red pill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    Now that you recognize what it is you can exploit it. Most people don't get this far, they just assume their roles. The INFP thing to do might be to enlighten everyone as to what is actually going on but I promise you that will not get you far. Most people will choose the red pill.
    This is true but I think you mean "most people will choose the blue pill (i.e. The red pill will answer the question "what is the Matrix?" [by removing him from it] and the blue pill simply for life to carry on as before.)

    Most people will resent the person who tries and remove the illusion. In general, unless you owe a special duty to a person/group or are getting paid to do so, consider keeping the groupthink/group theory secrets from them (hopefully its OK to discuss here...yet expect a reaction if it is framed in a manner that is overly contrary to the Matrix/social illusion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    This is true but I think you mean "most people will choose the blue pill (i.e. The red pill will answer the question "what is the Matrix?" [by removing him from it] and the blue pill simply for life to carry on as before.)

    Most people will resent the person who tries and remove the illusion. In general, unless you owe a special duty to a person/group or are getting paid to do so, consider keeping the groupthink/group theory secrets from them (hopefully its OK to discuss here...yet expect a reaction if it is framed in a manner that is overly contrary to the Matrix/social illusion).
    yeah. I didn't know which color represented what, so i guessed. You get the jist though.

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    "We need to find the leader, Mangalores won't fight without the leader."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    "We need to find the leader, Mangalores won't fight without the leader."
    "The Heartless follow whoever is strongest."
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    You should watch The Dog Whisperer. Quote a few of the suggestions on that program work equally well with humans as with dogs and most of the time they're fixing the owners and not the dogs!

    As for blending in, you can do that... or you can walk your own way. As long as you don't barge through others it's perfectly possible to be independent without being alone.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    thats why so many people start their own businesses. lolz

    to get away from that

    I'm glad this sort of stuff goes over my head, applying dominant and submissive to every person/action and so readily trying to analogise our behaviour to that of animals seems a bit distasteful to me.
    well they say that self control is teh only thing that seperates humans from animals. yet how often can we say we exercise self control

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