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    The victim ALWAYS has a way out.


    Ultimatly, the opinion of people that bully should not be respected or held in high regard. When that is realized, there would be no victim anymore.


    But in teenage years and young people in general. The way out may be hard to find. And hard to follow. It's a tough culture to be in for some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    IYou do write threads which aren't literal, but rather figurative, or playful with ideas, which seem to work very well for you to inspire discussion.
    He does raise some fascinating areas for discussion - take identity politics, that would have been great. The problem is when the discussion doesn't go anywhere - and for this there's plenty of blame to go around, sometimes to Victor, too. The figurative language he uses I find often more colorful (or round) than its literal sister, but if people aren't engaging on that level, it's just words scattered to the wind.
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor
    But if you stand up to group bullying, it only makes it worse.
    True, but that may be better for the victim in the end, depending on his goal.
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    The only 'negative' feeling I ever felt towards Victor is

    'why the need for all those metaphors that require me to google them in order to understand his point. Fair enough if you want to sound educated, but ultimatly being understood clearly by everyone reaps the most fruit and thus is the most educated descision, no?'

    Other than that, he does touch the generally untouched side of things and I enjoy opening my mind to his post. Even though I sometimes need to do some research in order to understand him. :P


    Back on topic. Ignoring bullies is better than attempting to confront them in most situations, in my opinion. Bullies usually don't buly rationally. And you may be able to crush them intellectually in conversation. They would however be stubborn and not falter to defeat. And instead look for other grounds on which to bully.
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    I must've missed all these threads where women were bullying your inner girl, Victor, because mostly I've noticed people saying how much they like your style and weirdness. You've even had your own tribute thread.

    I started an anonymous poll a while ago asking people to rate how popular they considered themselves on the forum. By and large people rated themselves very lowly. Then the poll was replaced with a public poll and suddenly the average rating was much higher. The point being that just about everyone feels like they're on the outer -- the odd one out -- though they might not show it. I think it's just the way things work with internet forums. The mods as a group seem a pretty benign mob to me, so I doubt they're out to get you even if some of them don't respect you.

    So relax and try not to take things personally (even on those occasions when they're intended to be personal).

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    I get bullied by woman on a regular basis, can't touch this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    I've seen people complain about you, which has seemed very un-nice thing to do, considering your personal, interesting and inoffensive posts. (Some of them may have been offensive, which may be OK too, but I haven't seen any).

    You wrote beautifully about introverts blossoming if you cherish them, and if it was partly in joke or entirely honest, it was beautiful and thought-inspiring nonetheless.

    You do write threads which aren't literal, but rather figurative, or playful with ideas, which seem to work very well for you to inspire discussion. I'm sad to realize that some might mistake that for "trolling" or something like that. In all honesty, that's being small-minded.

    You get inordinate amount of complaints for no reason at all but being personal. I'd say it would have to stop - I wish it would. Have strength, Victor.
    I did not know this kind of persecution is going on. It is very sad.
    I do not know who the moderator is in question. Santtu wrote a good post.
    Victor writes good posts.
    I do not agree with all of them, but they are all good.

    Shame on you, bullies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    He does raise some fascinating areas for discussion - take identity politics, that would have been great. The problem is when the discussion doesn't go anywhere - and for this there's plenty of blame to go around, sometimes to Victor, too. The figurative language he uses I find often more colorful (or round) than its literal sister, but if people aren't engaging on that level, it's just words scattered to the wind.

    True, but that may be better for the victim in the end, depending on his goal.
    I disagree here. Sorry, no offence.
    Words scattered to the wind, you say. Not at all.

    I tell you why the journalists engage in a figurative language.
    It is because writing is their business. They are professionals in the game, you see.
    So is Victor.

    Literal language has a place, too.
    It is suitable for the recipes and such things.

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    I see value in both wildcat's and InaF3157's comments, but I feel like people are talking around each other here. None of these observations have much to do with why this thread was started, and the fact that it continues onwards, unimpeded, should shed more than enough light on the validity of the original claim(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I see value in both wildcat's and InaF3157's comments, but I feel like people are talking around each other here. None of these observations have much to do with why this thread was started, and the fact that it continues onwards, unimpeded, should shed more than enough light on the validity of the original claim(s).
    I am in the woods then. I do not know the origin of the origin. The mystery is in the cloud of the past and beyond recovery. I try to reach it, all in vain.
    I have not read Rachel. I am so old fashioned. I have read The Second Sex, by Simone.
    It was a good book. The first of its kind. It opened new vistas.
    Thank you for sharing your view.

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    My view of what is going on right here is a Karpman Drama triangle which isn't helping anyone.

    Nonetheless I do have to agree with FluffyWolf that it is in general easier to ignore bullying then it is to turn to authority to fight it. The exception is when it turns physically violent. As Victor said one may be accused of overreacting to a situation by authority. I think that is because authority is not omniscient, have a conflict of interests, or in some cases the victim is overreacting. Nonetheless I have seen group bullying (not directed at me) firsthand and I tried to fight against it, but it was useless until a year had passed. For me, the question is how to end such a situation. Any ideas?
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