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    What's a good catalyst for change for you?

    Personally, I need to be pretty unhappy and discontented to want to change anything. (Jobs, residence, friendships, or whatever.) I will always be happier when things have been the same for a while.

    I noticed that a lot of people don't think that way though. You Ne people in particular seem to be just always changing for the sake of change. (Or maybe i'm wrong.) Is it that you are unhappy with the way things currently are all the time or is it that you are just happier under uncertain circumstances?

    I have an ENFP friend in particular who is always talking about moving, changing jobs, going back to school. (She actually starts some of the plans to and even manages to finish a select few!! Only to move on to something else.) She went through a bunch of relationships within the course of a year. That's so foreign to me. She is a perfectly happy and content person, but continues this kind of behavior.

    How do you handle changes when they do need to occur?
    I know this is supposed to be an N/S thing but seems like some Se people don't mind it either.

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    Keirsey says SPs love change and will change things up just for variety's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Keirsey says SPs love change and will change things up just for variety's sake.
    I've read this too..
    What do you say?
    In your own experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    What's a good catalyst for change for you?

    Personally, I need to be pretty unhappy and discontented to want to change anything. (Jobs, residence, friendships, or whatever.) I will always be happier when things have been the same for a while.

    I noticed that a lot of people don't think that way though. You Ne people in particular seem to be just always changing for the sake of change. (Or maybe i'm wrong.) Is it that you are unhappy with the way things currently are all the time or is it that you are just happier under uncertain circumstances?

    I have an ENFP friend in particular who is always talking about moving, changing jobs, going back to school. (She actually starts some of the plans to and even manages to finish a select few!! Only to move on to something else.) She went through a bunch of relationships within the course of a year. That's so foreign to me. She is a perfectly happy and content person, but continues this kind of behavior.

    How do you handle changes when they do need to occur?
    I know this is supposed to be an N/S thing but seems like some Se people don't mind it either.
    Generally, when I am unhappy with how things are going, I stir it up a bit, and try to get off onto a new path.

    I wouldn't survive if I didn't have this variation. I just can't deal with the same things for too long. It doesn't always make me unhappy, but sometimes I just need change. For whatever reason it may be. I'll get bored with routines fast and mix it up.

    And sometimes, even when I have no logical reason to want a change, I will make it happen anyway. There doesn't always have to be a clear reason, sometimes I just make it happen and am happier with the outcome. It's hard to explain.
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    When I was in my early to mid 20s, I used to have this need to change things for no apparent reason, almost a kind of self-sabotage. I would screw up a perfectly good situation just to see if I could land on my feet. This would be anything from jobs to relationships to living situations, the bigger the impact, the better.

    This made me a pretty unstable person to be around for a while, but I think it was a means of controlling my life, instead of letting other factors control it for me.

    I've since adapted that quite a bit, and I am very content with a stable routine. What it gave me, however, is a great ability to adapt when life throws me those curveballs every other couple of months or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I've read this too..
    What do you say?
    In your own experience?
    I've seen ESFPs need to have variety or they get bored. (ExxP's of any sort usually like to mix things up and wander around looking for new things to get into.)

    However, it doesn't mean necessarily that responsibilities get abandoned or that certain principles are not adhered to, if they're important to maintain life. I've known some ESFPs who were pretty freewheeling and fun and yet were in charge of maintaining the family and keeping things afloat... and managed to do that just fine.

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    As far as change in general goes, people will continue to do the same things they're used to doing ("stuck in the ruts") until their fear of change is overcome by the pain of remaining as-is. People all have different thresholds here.

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    As for me, I actually like to keep my basic life very stable and then change the more cosmetic things (moving/changing furniture/arrangements; getting new clothes; visiting new places; etc). I do get bored otherwise, I always need something new to explore.

    For me, it's just a matter of how much the change impacts the overall stability of my life. I don't like having to worry about money or a constantly changing routine because it distracts from my explorations into other things. If my life is unstable, then I have to divert energy back to it and that means taking it away from my creative and mental endeavors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    I've read this too..
    What do you say?
    In your own experience?
    I don't know, I imagine I'm more comfortable with things staying the same than a ENXP would be, as I can usually just lose myself in repetition and maybe zone out if I need to. But I do seem to have an attraction to anything new and sparkly and would usually rather go for spontaneous and constant change.

    Sadly enough, I'm finding that I do tend to value new friends over relationships I've had awhile. I know this isn't a great trait but I don't exactly know how to reverse it.
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    I like stability with home, friends, relationships etc.

    I like change with little things that don't matter like eating, entertainment, music etc. But even that I don't really change that often unless I get bored.

    I'm often afraid to try new things because of social fear rather than a fear of change so that might skew things.
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    If I am not constantly stimulated, I get bored... Boredom is a fate worse than death for me. I can't be happy unless I have something to look forward to. The feeling of boredom - it's such a depressing, heavy feeling like someone is sitting on my chest and I can't breathe. I need things to change or I will wilt away and die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    If I am not constantly stimulated, I get bored... Boredom is a fate worse than death for me. I can't be happy unless I have something to look forward to. The feeling of boredom - it's such a depressing, heavy feeling like someone is sitting on my chest and I can't breathe. I need things to change or I will wilt away and die.
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