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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    In case it wasn't obvious to everybody, what i meant is that intelligent people are actually thanked by their country's setting up of the environnement that allowed this intelligence, as iq's correlation with genetics is around 0.5 if i recall.
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    What are the main tricks how the less intelligent reap the benefits made by the intelligent?
    The main trick is democracy.
    Listen to me, baby, you got to understand, you're old enough to learn the makings of a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Or to put it another way try to manipulate people by thinking for them
    It's not like they used it anyway

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    I don't think people are screwing over the intelligent people so much as some intelligent people are screwing over themselves because they're not that much into money. Introverted people tend to be more intelligent on the average, but extroverted people care more about making money. Extroverted people care more about things that are outside themselves, which includes material things. Intelligent people tend to care less about material things and more about intellectual things. Financial success depends mostly on your attitudes and beliefs. There are ways for people with average intelligence to get rich. A smart person with crappy attitudes and beliefs is going to be poor. The success gurus say that you're responsible for virtually everything in your life. They say you empower yourself if you take responsibility for your well-being rather than blaming other people and circumstances.

    Here are rich vs. poor beliefs:


    1. Rich people believe "I create my life."
    Poor people believe, "Life happens to me."

    2. Rich people play the money game to win.
    Poor people play the money game to not lose.

    3. Rich people are committed to being rich.
    Poor people want to be rich.

    4. Rich people think big.
    Poor people think small.

    5. Rich people focus on opportunities.
    Poor people focus on obstacles.

    6. Rich people admire other rich and successful people.
    Poor people resent rich and successful people.

    7. Rich people associate with positive, successful people.
    Poor people associate with negative or unsuccessful people.

    8. Rich people are willing to promote themselves and their value.
    Poor people think negatively about selling and promotion.

    9. Rich people are bigger than their problems.
    Poor people are smaller than their problems.

    10. Rich people are excellent receivers.
    Poor people are poor receivers.

    11. Rich people choose to get paid based on results.
    Poor people choose to get paid based on time.

    12. Rich people think "both."
    Poor people think "either/or."

    13. Rich people focus on their net worth.
    Poor people focus on their working income.

    14. Rich people manage their money well.
    Poor people mismanage their money well.

    15. Rich people have their money work hard for them.
    Poor people work hard for their money.

    16. Rich people act in spite of fear.
    Poor people let fear stop them.

    17. Rich people constantly learn and grow.
    Poor people think they already know.


    *** Some good attitudes to have:

    * Be grateful for everything good you have
    * Think positive thoughts all the time
    * Avoid negative thoughts at all costs
    * Avoid things that make you feel angry, sad, scared, or any other negative feeling
    * Be extremely optimistic
    * Expect good things to happen to you
    * See the good in people
    * Take full responsibility for every aspect of your life. You create your life!
    * Be in control of your life. Do not let others be in control of your life.
    * Have a can-do spirit
    * Focus on your goals and work on achieving them most of the time.
    * Have integrity. Live according to your values and keep your promises to yourself and others.
    * VALUE yourself highly and take good care of yourself in every way
    * Love yourself
    * See the good in every situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    It's not like they used it anyway
    Is advertising driving lack of thinking or is advertising because we have people who dont want to think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSDesigner View Post
    I don't think people are screwing over the intelligent people so much as some intelligent people are screwing over themselves because they're not that much into money. Introverted people tend to be more intelligent on the average, but extroverted people care more about making money. Extroverted people care more about things that are outside themselves, which includes material things. Intelligent people tend to care less about material things and more about intellectual things. Financial success depends mostly on your attitudes and beliefs. There are ways for people with average intelligence to get rich. A smart person with crappy attitudes and beliefs is going to be poor. The success gurus say that you're responsible for virtually everything in your life. They say you empower yourself if you take responsibility for your well-being rather than blaming other people and circumstances.

    Here are rich vs. poor beliefs:


    1. Rich people believe "I create my life."
    Poor people believe, "Life happens to me."

    2. Rich people play the money game to win.
    Poor people play the money game to not lose.

    3. Rich people are committed to being rich.
    Poor people want to be rich.

    4. Rich people think big.
    Poor people think small.

    5. Rich people focus on opportunities.
    Poor people focus on obstacles.

    6. Rich people admire other rich and successful people.
    Poor people resent rich and successful people.

    7. Rich people associate with positive, successful people.
    Poor people associate with negative or unsuccessful people.

    8. Rich people are willing to promote themselves and their value.
    Poor people think negatively about selling and promotion.

    9. Rich people are bigger than their problems.
    Poor people are smaller than their problems.

    10. Rich people are excellent receivers.
    Poor people are poor receivers.

    11. Rich people choose to get paid based on results.
    Poor people choose to get paid based on time.

    12. Rich people think "both."
    Poor people think "either/or."

    13. Rich people focus on their net worth.
    Poor people focus on their working income.

    14. Rich people manage their money well.
    Poor people mismanage their money well.

    15. Rich people have their money work hard for them.
    Poor people work hard for their money.

    16. Rich people act in spite of fear.
    Poor people let fear stop them.

    17. Rich people constantly learn and grow.
    Poor people think they already know.
    I agree, now define rich, because rich is not always money to everyone

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    Why should the intelligent get the best? Sure, every society needs some intelligent people. But it needs more hard-working people, more diplomatic people, more leaders, more followers, other qualities too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Is advertising driving lack of thinking or is advertising because we have people who dont want to think?
    The latter. Things exist to fill a need(and last long enough to be practical), advertising directs aimless minds for business purposes.

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    Uuhh I think there's something wrong with the original assumption, anyway. A major factor in how rich a nation is, equally important to intelligence of the population, is available resources per capita. South Korea, Japan, Austria, Italy - they all have an above-average mean IQ of the population but they don't have access to lots of natural resource per capita, thus they aren't as rich as, say, Norway or the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSDesigner View Post
    I don't think people are screwing over the intelligent people so much as some intelligent people are screwing over themselves because they're not that much into money. Introverted people tend to be more intelligent on the average, but extroverted people care more about making money. Extroverted people care more about things that are outside themselves, which includes material things. Intelligent people tend to care less about material things and more about intellectual things. Financial success depends mostly on your attitudes and beliefs. There are ways for people with average intelligence to get rich. A smart person with crappy attitudes and beliefs is going to be poor. The success gurus say that you're responsible for virtually everything in your life. They say you empower yourself if you take responsibility for your well-being rather than blaming other people and circumstances.
    I believe you're confusing introversion/extroversion with Perceiving vs. Judging.

    You say that extroverts are more about making money or otherwise completing externally measurable goals, but that isn't true--that's just a J characteristic. The "extroverts into making money" that you speak of are largely ExxJ types, not ExxP (though ESTPs love the idea of having money, they'll usually blow it all on hookers and coke the minute they get their hands on it anyway.)

    And by the way, your limited perspective on intelligence, as made by evident by the context in which you use the word, is a bit disturbing. The "intelligence" you refer to is N intelligence, and that's not what's considered important or smart to a majority of people.

    You can't label others "unintelligent" just because they aren't accomplishing the goals you consider to be important--they probably just don't have the same basic life goals as you.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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