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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Keirsey's description of the entire NT temperament in Please Understand Me II also seems to be strongly linked to autistic spectrum disorders.

    He correlates the SP temperament with ADHD. This is probably why ADHD has become so common in children, because of an overrepresentation of the SP temperament.

    Autism, on the other hand, is still quite rare, much like the NT temperament.
    I don't know what statistical evidence Keirsey used, but I teach and have taught dozens of these students every year for the last 21 years. I have more INTPs with ADHD. Autism is actually not rare. In 2007, the Center for Disease Control reported 1 out 150 diagnosed with autism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I only want to use pills insofar as making me feel less anxious (if they do that trick, and sometimes they do). I can't say I care how my outward behavior comes across toward other people.
    I understand the anxiety is the outcome of a social conflict.
    The social conflict is an asperger thing?

    Inevitably, any social conflict is created by the majority.

    Democracy is justice.
    Something for the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armstrongvk12 View Post
    I don't know what statistical evidence Keirsey used, but I teach and have taught dozens of these students every year for the last 21 years. I have more INTPs with ADHD. Autism is actually not rare. In 2007, the Center for Disease Control reported 1 out 150 diagnosed with autism.
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    Who employs the measure?
    The end is the means.

    Statistics has got the logic inside the measure.
    Is the logic of a thing inside the measure?

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    Hi, everyone - I hope you don't mind if I intrude? I've been lurking for a few months, but this thread got me to finally become a member so I could post.

    My son is ADD and I almost certainly am, too. I believe he's an INTP (although sometimes he tests INFP) and he's always struggled with inattention to everything but what he's interested in. If he's interested in something (like science) you CANNOT tear him away from it. He has trouble in school because even though he tests as gifted (top 1% in science nationally, top 3% overall) the schools only see that he forgets his homework, loses things, etc. and they seem to take it personally. His grades suffer badly because of it.

    Why do they insist on teaching to his weaknesses, like organization, instead of his strengths? Someone once said madness is defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, but the teachers never change their strategies so that they can effectively teach him. (And they say HE needs drugs??)

    Anyway, forgive my little rambling rant. I really wanted to say to you, Wildcat, that your description of life as ADD is exactly right. And I'm really sorry that you had such a hard time with school, too. I'm watching my son go through it and I know how awful it can be.

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    My cousin is a high functioning autistic- he appears to be an INTJ from all of my years of knowing him, but I couldn't swear on it. Unfortunatly, his parents don't work much with him and because of that he has quite a bit of trouble with some social functions- he's the only other member of my family who DOESN'T immediatly go in for a hug when meeting someone new!

    The whole Se/ADHD thing might have some point I suppose- my ESTP cousin and I have both been diagnosed with ADHD, but never medicated. Both of us are dyslexic as well. The doctors were afraid to give me medicine- apparently they thought it would swing me from my normal state, which they described as mildly hypomanic, to a depressed state

    I'm happy with that- I can't sleep anyways
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    If he's autistic, then should he be painting like an autist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The shrink may not understand it, but I do. There I recognize my childhood.
    Asperger and ENTP and popular.
    I think you are quite right about the Ne.
    It remains to be seen if she will remain Ne dominant after puberty.

    I find it very odd that an ISTP should be interested in religion at all. The ISTP is not counter culture, therefore I take it his religion is the usual brand of Christianity.
    It is even more odd that he insists that everybody follows his lead. This does not sound like an ISTP description at all. They are usually very set back.
    On the other hand they do conform to the peer group. And more than that, the peer group is everything for them. I am still puzzled that the peer group should be a religious group. It has to be of long standing.
    Actually, his religion was Jehovah's Witnesses, far from the norm. He got into it mainly as a crutch after my mom left him years ago. Those guys turned up on his doorstep when he was the most vulnerable (as they tend to do) and hooked him in with all the things he wanted to hear: no it's not your fault your wife left you, it's because Satan is ruling this world. Come with us, follow our rules, and everything will be better. He was isolated and alone and down and they gave him a 'family' when my mom took his away.

    He didn't insist that everyone follow it, just us kids. His thinking was that as our father, it's his job to do what's best for us, and since he totally believed that following that religion would lead to us all being together on a paradise earth one day, it was really important to him that we followed it. He couldn't understand our points of view, and his peers in the congregation of course only reinforced the view that it was important to 'bring us round' and that we'd thank him for it in the end. Of course they had no idea how extreme the means were that he was using on us, as I'm sure even they would've condemned that.

    I'm very sure he was ISTP though. I - he spent looooong periods completely alone and took a job as a truck driver, saying the thing he liked most about it was being able to be alone on the road for long periods. He was also the stereotypical handyman, obsessed with engines and vehicles of various kinds, and a highly skilled crafstman. He was, in most matters other than his religion (which was only in the last 20 years of his life), pretty laid back and laissez-faire.

    But I've known some other ISTP's to be surprisingly rigid about some of their opinions, and quite judgemental of people who don't share them. My step-dad for example is also ISTP and he's as laid back as they come, but if you start him off on the Arabs or his football team, he can easily rival any SJ for rigidity.
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    My son is ADD and I almost certainly am, too. I believe he's an INTP (although sometimes he tests INFP) and he's always struggled with inattention to everything but what he's interested in.
    By that definition, I have ADD.
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    I know my description was kind of vague, Magic; there's obviously more to his symptoms than what I described.

    By the way, I read your posts earlier in the thread about the use of medication and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have refused to medicate him despite quite a bit of pressure from his teachers and the archdiocese psychologist (he's in Catholic school). IMNSHO, we medicate kids waaay too readily and too often without regard to long-term effects. Besides, why would I medicate a smart, creative, kind person merely because he is not typical?
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    Well, I think the important thing is, when I am interested in something, I can pursue it with extreme expedience.

    My point being; that a lot of people that could be very useful are instead regarded as defective by a society that is too incompetent to know how to utilize them.
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