E vs. I - Not About Socializing

[Asterion]

Yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

In retrospect, I think that the original title of the O.P. was misleading.

It was not my intention to provide a way to determine E or I.

My intention, as I stated in the conclusion of the O.P., was to dispel the myth (or rather the habit of thinking) that how much one socializes or doesn't socialize indicates E or I.

Well, the OP did it's job, the more clueless people that see it, the better (assuming that there are actually clueless people around). Do you feel that people might be stereotyping you when they see the E? Chances are, they already know, or are merely joking about it. I'm sure it won't hurt discussing definitions of E/I, unless you're really really keen on emphasizing this statement. I'd like to hear some kind of 'sure sign' kind of definitions for introversion really.

 

[Lauren Ashley]

I am familiar with this concept(since it did occure to me). Bur to be honest this doesn't make too much sense. At least if you want to keep introverted sensor group in the mix. Since by this definition only expressed introverted intuitives have the chance to be introverts.

Ohhh, forgot about them. In including ENs it somehow excluded ISs. Jeez, we'll never have an all-encompassing definition will we?

 

[laughingebony]

By the Myers-Briggs, E/I is determined by dominant function.

 

[Wonkavision]

Ohhh, forgot about them. In including ENs it somehow excluded ISs. Jeez, we'll never have an all-encompassing definition will we?

I don't understand how the definition excludes any type.

Can anyone explain this?

 

[Moiety]

The problem for me is how does one define "energy"? Being happy?

Would an I feel alright spending a month without talking to anyone, locked up in a prison alone, with only his thoughts and ideas?

 

[NewEra]

The problem for me is how does one define "energy"? Being happy?

It means being energized, having more vigor and energy as a result of stimulation.

 

[wolfy]

I don't understand how the definition excludes any type.

Can anyone explain this?

It's because IS*P types are stimulated by their environment. They bring their own set of tools to each situation and that colours how they respond/react to the stimulus. But without the stimulus their mind will come to rest.

 

[Asterion]

The problem for me is how does one define "energy"? Being happy?

Would an I feel alright spending a month without talking to anyone, locked up in a prison alone, with only his thoughts and ideas?

The introvert would be missing their 'Do' drive. They would die (figuratively), but die less than an extrovert. This is assuming than they don't go and count the atoms on the walls or something.

It's hard to see that you've got 'energy', but if you were to describe 'energy' as if you saw it in someone else, I think you'd realize what it is somewhat. It could probably be interpreted as excitable, talkative, enthusiastic, loud, crazy... energetic . An indication of drained energy would be something like refusing to come to a party/go out somewhere directly after a day of work. Although that might be a bit more connected to the Perceptive trait.

 

[wolfy]

Would an I feel alright spending a month without talking to anyone, locked up in a prison alone, with only his thoughts and ideas?

Yes...am I allowed paper and pencils? Chalk?

 

[NewEra]

The introvert would be missing their 'Do' drive. They would die (figuratively), but die less than an extrovert.

I disagree. The extrovert would die more because they wouldn't be able to 'Do' at all. The extrovert, according to your definition, needs more Doing than Thinking. The situation in prison that Sytpg mentioned involves more Thinking than anything else. The extrovert would feel far less comfortable.

 

[Asterion]

I disagree. The extrovert would die more because they wouldn't be able to 'Do' at all. The extrovert, according to your definition, needs more Doing than Thinking. The situation in prison that Sytpg mentioned involves more Thinking than anything else. The extrovert would feel far less comfortable.

yes, that's what I said, right? I was trying to emphasize that introverts will have the same issue, only to a lesser extent.

[edit]: I did kind of put it in a confusing way though , I'm not quite thinking clearly atm I think

 

[Lauren Ashley]

I disagree. The extrovert would die more because they wouldn't be able to 'Do' at all.

That's what he said

 

[NewEra]

LOL, my bad.

 

[Moiety]

The introvert would be missing their 'Do' drive. They would die (figuratively), but die less than an extrovert. This is assuming than they don't go and count the atoms on the walls or something.

It's hard to see that you've got 'energy', but if you were to describe 'energy' as if you saw it in someone else, I think you'd realize what it is somewhat. It could probably be interpreted as excitable, talkative, enthusiastic, loud, crazy... energetic . An indication of drained energy would be something like refusing to come to a party/go out somewhere directly after a day of work. Although that might be a bit more connected to the Perceptive trait.

Yeah, I do get the concept of energy, but I'd like a less subjective definition of what it means to a person. Because an energized introvert might refuse to go to the party even though he feel energized.

That's why I used the word "happy" - feeling pleasure or contentment.

 

[Darkéy]

Yes...am I allowed paper and pencils? Chalk?

Took the words right out my mouth!

X.

 

[jenocyde]

It's good that someone finally posted something to simplify E and I. No more of this "socializing or not" nonsense.

finally? I've been saying this till I was blue in the face...

It is not something new or different from anything you would find in the usual Meyers-Briggs literature, and like someone else mentioned, you can find this on Wikipedia, so I don't understand how it changes anything.

shy is very different from introverted.

 

[Stanton Moore]

How can you NOT get energy from the outside world? something has to feed ideas to your innerworld to chew on...

 

[Asterion]

Yeah, I do get the concept of energy, but I'd like a less subjective definition of what it means to a person. Because an energized introvert might refuse to go to the party even though he feel energized.

That's why I used the word "happy" - feeling pleasure or contentment.

I'd like an empirical way to define energy too, but I doubt one exists. Does the MBTI literature actually clear up any of the haziness of the MBTI theory by any chance?

*saves everyone from his silly science definitions and ramble about entropiey*

 

[jenocyde]

I think energy = stimulation, in this sense.

Some people need to be in a familiar, quiet place where they will not be distracted by their environment in order to be productive. Others would fall asleep in the same environment.

Some people need to have music or action all around them or they can't focus. Others would be irritated or drained.

 

[simulatedworld]

The following is a quote from "What Type Am I?", by Renee Baron.

BARON:


(Notice how she includes THINGS, not just people and activites)

BARON:



The key difference between Extraversion and Introversion is not whether someone talks a lot or not, but whether they get energy from the OUTER WORLD or their own INNER WORLD.

The next important point is that what people DO with that energy varies.

Extraverts get energy from the outside world.
Sometimes Extraverts pour that energy into more talking and socializing, and
sometimes they pour it into a solitary activity.

Introverts get energy from their own inner world.
Sometimes they pour that energy into more solitary activities, and sometimes they pour that energy into talking and socializing.


In conclusion, you can not tell whether someone is an Extravert or an Introvert solely on the basis of how much they talk or socialize.

It would be nice if it were that simple, but understanding personality type goes beyond looking at the surface of things.


(By the way---

The original title of this post was "E vs. I Made Simple"

I changed the title because I decided it was innapropriate.

My point was not to provide a way to determine whether someone is E or I.

My point was that the amount of talking and socializing one does is not a reliable indication of E or I.)

Well, you're half way there--the I/E stat actually just tells us which of the two primary functions you give more priority to. Since the outer world doesn't really see or interact with one's introverted functions, being dominant in an introverted function causes one to appear more socially withdrawn.