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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    My best advise is report "Betsy" to the police, and seek to ban her from the coffee shop. You might want to get witnesses involved with that decision, too.
    Maybe I'll talk to the owner about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    So you can relate to a schizophrenic emotionally...

    ... And how we treat a person with a mental illness is a test of our humanity.
    Emotional I can definitely do. Also, I enjoy and learn from all types of people. I'm only worried about unpredictable violence in this situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alwar View Post
    I assumed the coffee shop was privately owned.
    Yeah. I guess I just didn't know you could ban someone from a place where the general public goes, like a store or restaurant.
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    I understand how working with people with a mental illness can be difficult; working as a legal advocate has had its times of anxiety and fear for me when clients have been actively psychotic. However, the vast majority of the time I have not had problems. You have to remember that her symptoms could be fluctuating depending on her internal stimuli so her behavior could vary from day to day. I would agree that you not try to "reason" with her, that just creates more anxiety and cognitive dissonance for her. Try to keep the interaction brief, calm and just explain that you need to get back to work if she wants to engage you. I know it sounds "weird" but it is a good idea to have a mental escape route should things get out of hand. I am just speaking from my own experience, so I don't want to alarm you too much. Better safe than sorry.

    Unfortunately, if her behavior does become aggressive you may have to call the police. The general standard for any type of mental health hold (varies from state to state) is if the person presents a danger to self and/or others. You could go the route of trying to ban her but legally a person cannot be discriminated against in a public accommodation (public sevices) due to their disability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Put a little note in the bottom of her coffee that says, "They are watching your every move. Meet me at the bus station tonight at 11pm. <Signed>A Friend."
    You're a bit evil, and still, I laugh...

    Quote Originally Posted by statuesquechica View Post
    I know it sounds "weird" but it is a good idea to have a mental escape route should things get out of hand.
    By "mental escape route," you mean plan ahead of time what I'm going to do if there's a problem? That's why I'm a little nervous, since I'm the only employee in here. I guess the best thing I can think of is to keep any emergency numbers readily accessible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    You're a bit evil, and still, I laugh...
    Of course that means you're a bit evil yourself.
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    ^ Don't tell anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    By "mental escape route," you mean plan ahead of time what I'm going to do if there's a problem? That's why I'm a little nervous, since I'm the only employee in here. I guess the best thing I can think of is to keep any emergency numbers readily accessible.
    I hope I'm not increasing your anxiety but this is just something I intuitively do now, but that is because of my work in institutional settings, more confined. I guess the best way to describe a mental escape route is be aware of where she is in relation to you, don't get so close in her space that you can't step back, don't "box yourself in" so that you can't extract yourself safely. I feel kind of bad, not knowing the circumstances, if my suggestions make you more nervous. I just found for myself that I had to train myself to think this way with certain clients for my own safety, but still work with them. It actually helped deal with my anxiety because I felt I could take some steps to minimize any harm.

    And if necessary, if you feel physically threatened, you absolutely have that right to call the police. It's ok to look out for yourself.

    And like I said, symptoms can vary from day to day, and she could be having a "good day" the next time you see her. Hope these suggestions help address some of your concerns.
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    Doesn't increase my nervousness at all. I find your suggestions very helpful, actually. I think I already do some of these things, and didn't even realize it. Thanks.
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    Schizophrenia has such a wide range of conditions... If this girl chases people down the street it is safe to say she has one of the more extreme conditions. From what I've read they sort of have manic phases where they are at their worst, and the periods inbetween where symptoms are not so severe. My brother at his worst would hear voices through radio and TV static (straight out of a movie) but after he was medicated and on therapy I can see no real symptons save extreme social anxiety which sadly seems to be getting worse.
    ...Then I ducked my head and the lights went out, and two guns blazed in the dark;
    And a woman screamed, and the lights went up, and two men lay stiff and stark...

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    If she keeps coming to the shop she'll scare away customers, as I do with my 5 o clock shadow and unkempt INTP hair.

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    She should be banned from the coffee shop. For your safety, the other patrons safety, and her own safety --clearly, it's an environment that prompts her to have "a bad spell."
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