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    Default Using type awareness to help with mental health?

    Would you say such a thing is possble?

    I was totally blown away when i first learnt about my type, I felt like much confusion in my life about my weaknesses was finally answered, and that I no longer had to feel ashamed for not being like everyone else.

    Yet still those weaknesses continue to be a curse when it comes to living in the real world.

    Depression
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    Inability to focus
    Self criticism
    Too soft

    Yet I read these are INFP traits, and these are things the doctors would medicate, and yes I would wish to eradicate too.

    So how do you take type awareness and help yourself become something better?
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    I don't know whether is possible to find answers in mental health's problems with the types. MBTI is not any exact science, while clinical depression and problems such as schizoid disorder etc. are situations provoked by both psychological and neurological factors.

    Besides clinical problems, I would say that type awareness is a great tool for many people to understand themselves and others. It helped me to understand some things about myself and other people and contemplate about many others.
    Maybe I am exaggerating with the following, but I believe type awareness will be of a great use to parents, to help them deal with their children. It is an easy-to-understand scientific-like approach, which can give parents the tools to understand better and communicate with their children without feeling themselves guilty or inadequate, as traditional psychology was trying to convince them they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    I don't know whether is possible to find answers in mental health's problems with the types. MBTI is not any exact science, while clinical depression and problems such as schizoid disorder etc. are situations provoked by both psychological and neurological factors.

    Besides clinical problems, I would say that type awareness is a great tool for many people to understand themselves and others. It helped me to understand some things about myself and other people and contemplate about many others.
    Maybe I am exaggerating with the following, but I believe type awareness will be of a great use to parents, to help them deal with their children. It is an easy-to-understand scientific-like approach, which can give parents the tools to understand better and communicate with their children without feeling themselves guilty or inadequate, as traditional psychology was trying to convince them they are.

    Oh you just reminded me to order that book Ivy recommended. lol I am too scatty.

    Ok, but lets say I go to a psychotherapy session, and the therapist is telling me that my inability to stay focused is latent ADD, or that my introversion is some mild form of agrophobia, there must be a way to either show them that type is the reason I am the way I am, or do I go with what they say and accept I am flawed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Oh you just reminded me to order that book Ivy recommended. lol I am too scatty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Ok, but lets say I go to a psychotherapy session, and the therapist is telling me that my inability to stay focused is latent ADD, or that my introversion is some mild form of agrophobia, there must be a way to either show them that type is the reason I am the way I am, or do I go with what they say and accept I am flawed?
    I would say that if a psychiatrist diagnoses ADD or agoraphobia, he is likely to have strong reasons to believe so. There must be a quite clear distinction of scattered attention and ADD or of introversion and agoraphobia, etc. And a psychiatrist is likely to be aware that some people are more introverted than others, some more systematic than others, etc.
    Also type characteristics should be an instrument to understand ourselves, not excuses to not try to improve our lives/personalities.
    I think type awareness should give ourselves a notion of whether some characteristics we have are reasons to worry about our mental health or simply traits of our personality.
    On a more personal example: I am very introverted, which, in combination with a total lack of shy-ness, gives a very schizoid effect in many of my social interactions (or used to, because growing older I control much better these things). Since I have never found my introvert-ness to annoy me or negatively affect my life, I never though it is a sign of any flaw.
    On the other hand, I have some unhealthy characteristics, like a unreasonable fear of asphyxia while in a plane, or some sleeping disorders. These are "flaws" indeed, that is, a healthy INTP or whatever type I am, does not typically tend to have these traits, they are not "excused" for my personality type

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    See that's the thing though, when i read up about my type some of the stuff I think is a mental health issue, turns out to be type related.

    Until finding out I was an introvert I thought something was wrong with me, same goes with not being able to stay focused, so when i went to see the therapist I was speaking as if these things were a problem to me.

    Then again they are a problem, if I was S I would focus more, but I am not I am scatty, my mind wonders, I think of things and in a split second am off on another thought followed by another, this make studying kind of difficult lol because I get lost in my head.

    So it's a problem, also I am trying to make friends, but I am also not trying, part of me wants to be outgoing, but the hurt part of me does not, then I read I am an introvert and all of a sudden it's a new issue, rather than being something I thought was wrong with me, this loneliness is a part of me, and it's crippling me to some extent.

    I know type is meant to help you understand yourself, but what if the type you are, is not a useful type to be?

    I think I am making not much sense on this, because it's still just a jumble of thoughts in my mind.

    Ivy, Jennifer, Cafe or Proteonmix, would it be possible to add this to my blog since it's just me rambling again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Ivy, Jennifer, Cafe or Proteonmix, would it be possible to add this to my blog since it's just me rambling again?
    I could; but I think it's a wonderful topic, if we get some more participation.

    Type reveals general strengths and weaknesses in one's approach to life. Type is considered more of the average pro's and con's of a "normal" person; diagnosed psychological illnesses actually connote something more powerful or difficult to manage, and possibly even biologically rooted problems.

    Some of these things can be medicated, but in general I think medication is only effective in terms of alleviating symptoms long enough / severely enough so that the patient can make some psychological growth in the questionable areas.

    In other words, you might be extremely shy (and thus anxious); but to try to completely medicate away the shyness is not positive. The anxiety probably either is rooted in or has CAUSED some socialization issues that the patient still needs to work to overcome.

    And there is also gray area in the middle. Not everyone has to be as outgoing as everyone else. If there were not shy people, who would listen in a conversation? I think to some degree we need to decide for ourselves (with feedback from others) which parts of us are truly us and should be embraced and which parts are destructive or hinder us from thriving as people.

    I think one good sign of health is the ability to give of oneself to others graciously and without resentment. Each type is capable of this; each simply gives different things to a relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Would you say such a thing is possble?

    I was totally blown away when i first learnt about my type, I felt like much confusion in my life about my weaknesses was finally answered, and that I no longer had to feel ashamed for not being like everyone else.

    Yet still those weaknesses continue to be a curse when it comes to living in the real world.

    Depression
    Solitude
    Inability to focus
    Self criticism
    Too soft

    Yet I read these are INFP traits, and these are things the doctors would medicate, and yes I would wish to eradicate too.

    So how do you take type awareness and help yourself become something better?
    You seem to be saying "I'm imperfect and I would like to improve", you could try out this angle instead "I'm perfect with space for development".

    Your angle does a poor job at embracing the present (the person you are right now) but focus on an idealized future version of yourself. The second angle embraces the present. I am at this moment in time, the best I can be i.e. a snapshot of perfection but I can allways develop.

    It's a generel thing though, many people seem to be better at embracing past versions (yourself as a child or a teenager) or imagined future versions of themselves but are often very critical with the present version.

    I could have just said "learn to love yourself" but it sounded tacky.
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    To be blunt about it first up; No. I highly recommend not using type in this way. It is not designed for it, it won't be very helpful and is even against the code of ethics that MBTI has.

    Ok, disclaimer aside, most mental health issues are traits that have gone too far... or appear that way anyway. Depression is linked to being (FFM lingo here!) E- (introverted) and N+ (neurotic). In your Sahara, if I remember your scores correctly, this is the case. I also think it comes from being a bit shell shocked, something that will take time to recover from.

    The ADD stuff shouldn't correlate to INFP (attentive disorders) in particular...

    The only way it can help is to identify small behaviours that you can prune back... learning how to cope with smaller issues before trying to deal with/cope with the larger ones. Once something is considered a disorder though, type theory doesn't offer much.

    As Park said, type is about understanding yourself - too often it is used as an excuse for behaviour. Introversion isn't healthy - not the way it is portrayed here anyway - and should be worked around. The only answer is to try to do some E like stuff. Not to the point of it being painful or harmful, but to cope with the drawbacks of being an I. Think about moving forward. All of us Is think things are worse than they really are... keep in mind how few positive emotions Is tend to have... we don't reflect the reality around us. It keeps us looking inward, berating ourselves...

    In true ISTP form - just do it. If a behaviour is bad, stop doing it. If you know what to do to prevent it, take tangible steps to change it (ie: solitude and depression are linked... all you need are a couple of people!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    ...I know type is meant to help you understand yourself, but what if the type you are, is not a useful type to be?...
    Yes, I see your point. The thing is, as Jennifer and Park said, that there are parts that are really yourself and acceptance is the best way to use them positively. There are other things that are not yourself and, since they bother you, you can try and change them.

    I know my opinion won't be very popular, but I believe type is not about innate properties, but about tendencies that we can change or re-prioritise (if there exists such a word - it should mean something like: define again our priorities). That is, except the I/E part, that I believe is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

    But then, being an I does not mean to be isolated. Being shy cannot be a fundamental part of your personality that you cannot control. Being hurt cannot be something you cannot overcome if you give a try.

    As for the N/S thing, I am pretty sure it is the less stable characteristic of one's personality and that it flips and changes with the age, the circumstances, the occasional needs, etc. If you had found something that can trap your interest, I am sure you wouldn't have your mind wander in irrelevant things. If you cannot concentrate to the task at hand, it probably doesn’t mean anything about you and you might want to change your route and find something more satisfying.

    Another thing that I know many people find useful is to adapt a work-mode. Which is, when I am at work, I am not myself but somebody who does the work, I have come in terms with this and simply do it. (it is not very pleasant, true is, and I am happy that my current job does not require me to be on this mode).

    But, in all cases, I wouldn’t worry if I were you. Of what I have seen of you, you seem pretty healthy and balanced to me. And, if you are not trying to change something, then probably this change isn’t interesting for you.

    edit:what ptgatsby says could also help somebody, like try to do some extrovert stuff or whatever. Though it is not what I would do (I find it to be too much a radical change for me that I don't find the reason to press myself that much)

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    I have thought that there is a unique link between mistyping and certain disorders. Therefore, you might have more falsely-typed people of certain types due to such disorders and they will be common in these groups.

    I think this is true of introverts (depression) and intuitives (neurosis), particularly.
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