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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    Yeah, if everyone is above 100, then 100 has to be moved, since that's, by definition, the average result. We all can't be smarter than average. Self-reported IQ reminds me of that statistic that 2 out of 3 people think that they're above-average drivers.
    yep and the 1 out of the 2 that is the 2 out of the 3 are actually below-average drivers. but no i think the average I read is now 120 but probably using online iq test result data tbh i should find where i read that and link it. i can't explain online iq results because when i took a legit one at 19 i got 110 now online i get 80 or 90 and i might have gone dumb who knows who cares? well i kinda do but you aren't gonna have that answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    Yeah, if everyone is above 100, then 100 has to be moved, since that's, by definition, the average result. We all can't be smarter than average. Self-reported IQ reminds me of that statistic that 2 out of 3 people think that they're above-average drivers.
    What has happened is the average IQ has gone up over time (called the Flynn Effect), meaning the various IQ tests have had to be re-calibrated over time. In effect, IQ tests have become harder, to balance out people tending to be better at what IQ tests measure. IQ largely measures abstract reasoning, which makes one wonder if people are functionally becoming more "N" over time.

    Another implication of this is that people who had a certain IQ on a test twenty years ago may not score the same today, even if they are equally intelligent (in the sense that IQ measures). Also, IQ isn't necessarily static over the lifespan, so people's IQ scores can go up or down as they age.

    It's also important to keep in mind that IQ measures a narrow band of intelligence. I think of someone like my dad, who isn't necessarily super mentally quick (though he's not slow), but who is amazingly self-disciplined and focused. He applies his intelligent much more effectively than many, and to greater results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    What has happened is the average IQ gone up over time (called the Flynn Effect), meaning the various IQ tests have had to be re-calibrated over time. In effect, IQ tests have become harder, to balance out people tending to be better at what IQ tests measure. IQ largely measures abstract reasoning, which makes one wonder if people are functionally becoming more "N" over time.

    Another implication of this is that people who had a certain IQ on a test twenty years ago, may not score the same today, even if they are equally intelligent (in the sense that IQ measures). Also, IQ isn't necessarily static over the lifespan, so people's IQ scores can go up or down as they age.
    this was what i was talking about thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    What has happened is the average IQ has gone up over time (called the Flynn Effect), meaning the various IQ tests have had to be re-calibrated over time. In effect, IQ tests have become harder, to balance out people tending to be better at what IQ tests measure. IQ largely measures abstract reasoning, which makes one wonder if people are functionally becoming more "N" over time.

    Another implication of this is that people who had a certain IQ on a test twenty years ago may not score the same today, even if they are equally intelligent (in the sense that IQ measures). Also, IQ isn't necessarily static over the lifespan, so people's IQ scores can go up or down as they age.

    It's also important to keep in mind that IQ measures a narrow band of intelligence. I think of someone like my dad, who isn't necessarily super mentally quick (though he's not slow), but who is amazingly self-disciplined and focused. He applies his intelligent much more effectively than many, and to greater results.
    Yup. When I said "100 has to be moved", I meant the test has to be recalibrated as people do better. I guess I didn't express myself particularly well, but I went through a phase in my adolescence where I was obsessed with intelligence, so I remember the Flynn effect well (That reminds me of a book Flynn wrote about "g" that I found interesting back in the day, I'm going to have to dig that up now!). And don't worry, I don't equate IQ with intelligence. I remember scoring like 80 in like grade 4, so the adults in my life made quite a point to explain to me that a bad score didn't mean I was dumb. Although in truth, their desperation to reassure me only made me feel worse.

    Unlike your father, I don't get much use out of my brain, due to my pathetic attention span. I have been trying to build up my mental focus and discipline for years, but I find it very difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    i think most people inflate their iqs. I read something recently that said iq score average has gone up since the tests first came out. I don't think we're smarter though.
    Actually, I suspect that we are physically and mentally weaker than past generations.

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    If anyone has declared their IQ in this thread based upon random online tests, smack yourself in the face. Those aren't legitimate indicators.
    Last edited by Bullet; 09-09-2014 at 09:40 PM.

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    Not really, I'd say some types are more concerned with IQ than others, but not necessarily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Actually, I suspect that we are physically and mentally weaker than past generations.
    I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet View Post
    If anyone has declared their IQ in this thread based on random online tests, smack yourself in the face. Those aren't legitimate indicators.
    That's fortunate, my last one was 83.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Actually, I suspect that we are physically and mentally weaker than past generations.
    Well nature grows through pressure, pressure to change or adapt and pressure from conflict. We still have pressures and conflicts of course, but in many 'first world' countries those pressures are stagnant and largely about security than growth or change.

    So this induces generations of people who might never face the desperate pressures, (of previous generations), that influence growth from adversity. Of course individually there are exceptions, but those aren't the rule. But I've read other reasons as well, this is just a teeny...weeny thought I had. Also I've got no science, just a vague notion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Well nature grows through pressure, pressure to change or adapt and pressure from conflict. We still have pressures and conflicts of course, but in many 'first world' countries those pressures are stagnant and largely about security than growth or change.

    So this induces generations of people who might never face the desperate pressures, (of previous generations), that influence growth from adversity. Of course individually there are exceptions, but those aren't the rule. But I've read other reasons as well, this is just a teeny...weeny thought I had. Also I've got no science, just a vague notion.
    Sitting at home watching TV and surfing Facebook, Instagram etc for hours on end does nothing except turn your brain to mush. At least I occasionally learn something on here.

    I also have a suspicion that poor diet (high sugar foods + preservatives, hormones etc) and genetically unfit people being kept alive and breeding are lowering the population's average intelligence over time.

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