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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Your post is arguably against the FAQ's rule that concerns quoting entire articles.

    That being said, consider the conclusion, "The results showed that when a wide range of cognitive abilities are explored, the observed variations in performance can only be explained with at least three distinct components: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component. No one component, or IQ, explained everything."

    The phrase "no one component, or IQ" makes no sense on the face of it. And IQ tests don't test short-term memory, they focus on reasoning skills alone. You would have to have a pretty bad short-term memory, such as that of an insect, for that factor to affect your test result. "Verbal IQ" has nothing to do with the reasoning component. If you want to measure verbal IQ, or emotional IQ (EQ), then that's for a different test.
    Actually, the IQ test used by Mensa (at least the one I have seen) has a spacial thinking section, a verbal intelligence section, a math section and a memory section where you have to memorize a list of product names, product groups and product prices over half an hour or so on top of the usual pattern recognition and logic tasks.

    IQ as they use it is a composition of all those sectors which is why the article doesn't make much sense to me. They also factor in gender, age and education level when calculating the result.
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    Yeah, so? The point is that tests based on motor tasks are more predictive of intelligence than IQ is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Actually, the IQ test used by Mensa (at least the one I have seen) has a spacial thinking section, a verbal intelligence section, a math section and a memory section where you have to memorize a list of product names, product groups and product prices over half an hour or so on top of the usual pattern recognition and logic tasks.

    IQ as they use it is a composition of all those sectors which is why the article doesn't make much sense to me. They also factor in gender, age and education level when calculating the result.
    Wow, that's downright evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Yeah, so? The point is that tests based on motor tasks are more predictive of intelligence than IQ is
    IQ test, you mean? Confusing.
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    You're too nit-picky
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    You're too nit-picky
    It was confusing. You said that tests based on motor skills are more predictive of IQ ("intelligence") than IQ is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    A while people who frequently suffer from anxiety performed badly on the short-term memory factor in particular”.
    Explains a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Explains a great deal.
    Yes, but it has nothing to do with IQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    It was confusing. You said that tests based on motor skills are more predictive of IQ ("intelligence") than IQ is.
    no, the suite of tests don't generate a G
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    no, the suite of tests don't generate a G
    a G
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