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    I don't see the point in thinking that being a certain type will magically make you a genius.

    You can always draw the line where you want it; in all honesty, I drew it to make my ESTJ boss, who has tons of money to spend and power to abuse but can't seem to speak a human language or write at a 3rd grade level, seem like a retard, and the horizontal middle looked like a good place.
    this looks like you are taking subjective ideas and trying to dress them in objective dresses.

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    Since a lot of the type descriptions are based on experience and the probability of how someone may react or view a situation, I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that IQ could play a role in which descriptions people tend to identify with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I don't see the point in thinking that being a certain type will magically make you a genius.



    this looks like you are taking subjective ideas and trying to dress them in objective dresses.
    It's a start! And anyway, the Thomas blog we keep referring to denies that an INTJ has to be a genius, or that a genius has to be one of those 5 types. It's in the last quote I gave above.

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    It's a start! And anyway, the Thomas blog we keep referring to denies that an INTJ has to be a genius, or that a genius has to be one of those 5 types. It's in the last quote I gave above.
    Ah, gotcha. It just seems far too subjective and unquantifiable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Since a lot of the type descriptions are based on experience and the probability of how someone may react or view a situation make some types sound smarter than others, I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that IQ could play a role in which descriptions people tend to identify with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The ESFP I personally know has a professionally tested iq of 63 (no doubt falling a few points below the SD I would use in a study of this issue).
    lol.. They must have been high... or had half of their head chopped off.. before taking this test. That's in the mental retardation zone. Have you conversed about various things with this ESFP? Does it come out as gibberish? If not, then their IQ is higher than that test suggests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lol.. They must have been high... or had half of their head chopped off.. before taking this test. That's in the mental retardation zone. Have you conversed about various things with this ESFP? Does it come out as gibberish? If not, then their IQ is higher than that test suggests.
    Exactly. If their IQ was that low, than I would question their ability to understand and take an MBTI test. I would also imagine that it is difficult to type someone who is mentally retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lol.. They must have been high... or had half of their head chopped off.. before taking this test. That's in the mental retardation zone. Have you conversed about various things with this ESFP? Does it come out as gibberish? If not, then their IQ is higher than that test suggests.
    Her iq has been tested and verified twice. <70 is considered retarded. She doesn't speak gibberish, and she's a high school graduate (IEP, individualized education program which is part of "no child left behind"). If someone thinks the line I drew on the chart was subjective (a better word would be "arbitrary"), what's up with iq 70? Why not draw the line at 75? Who gets to decide these things, and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Exactly. If their IQ was that low, than I would question their ability to understand and take an MBTI test. I would also imagine that it is difficult to type someone who is mentally retarded.
    If she had trouble with the MBTI, which she took in high school, then all she had to do was ask the teacher or another student. And she's so verbose I'm sure she asked a lot of questions.

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    If you're going to draw a line, why not at 100, which is actually defined to be average?

    Also, there's a lot of unnerving conflation of subjectivity and objectivity here. Mixing the two is fine, and normal, to some extent, so long as one doesn't start accidentally muddying the waters and believing his own perceptions to completely reflect objective reality. And I don't need to say anything about confirmation bias--the concept gets beaten to death here.

    Typing other people is so, so subjective because it doesn't have as strong a basis in reality as we'd hope.

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