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    I don't think it is too much different from women going ga-ga over men in uniform or a man who happens to speak with a foreign accent. Plenty of intelligent women end up in happy long term relationships so doesn't seem to me to be that big of a deal.

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    I think it has do with something along these lines;

    Women have the most control over dating and relationship, sex and procreation, etc. Therefore, each women who has a significant advantage can afford to be even more selective.Therefore, women with significant advantages invariably weed out a large amount of the male population.

    Men, however, connect to looks more than other factors. That is to say, men don't value intelligence as much as looks, relative to how women value their own looks and intelligence. The end result is that women with intelligence have less competition than just attractive women (attractive women get attention in relation to the effort that men are willing to spend, intelligent women get attention in relation to the effor that men are willing to spend.) Assuming equal effort, the valuation for physical looks compared to intelligence means that the pool of men hunting for smart women is smaller.

    End result: Smaller pool of men and less motivated men for intelligent women, larger pool of men and more motivated men for attractive women.

    This doesn't work in reverse because the physical attraction bit is asymetrical (ie: and even anti-correlated, in that intelligence signals higher earning potentional, something women are more interested in relative to men)

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Intelligent men typically pay lip service to valuing intelligent women, but when it comes right down to it, i have seen more than i could ever count go completely buggy eyed over air-heads. They revel in the giggles, zanyness, the unpredictability, the complete inability to grasp the most basic concepts. They love that they are never challenged about intellectual or emotional topics. They rule as the king of the giggling, curly-haired zombies. Is it because hormones make you stupid, so stupid people must logically have the most raging hormones? Anyway, it gets old. I guess the intelligent women need to be on the hunt for the giggly men with their big, vacant peepers and muscles or whatever.

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    Seriously though, is there anything to this?
    I believe your premise is faulty. "giggles, zanyness, the unpredictability" does not equate to unintelligent, any more than seriousness equates to intelligence. This suggests that Robin Williams and Jim Carrey are total morons. Do you really think this is so?

    Your premise is essentially that ESP's are much less intelligent than ISJ's. This is more an aspect of personality than it is intelligence. Some people are attracted to the steady and serious ISJ's and others prefer the outgoing and fun loving ESP's. It's totally a matter of personality and not preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I think it has do with something along these lines;

    Women have the most control over dating and relationship, sex and procreation, etc. Therefore, each women who has a significant advantage can afford to be even more selective.Therefore, women with significant advantages invariably weed out a large amount of the male population.

    Men, however, connect to looks more than other factors. That is to say, men don't value intelligence as much as looks, relative to how women value their own looks and intelligence. The end result is that women with intelligence have less competition than just attractive women (attractive women get attention in relation to the effort that men are willing to spend, intelligent women get attention in relation to the effor that men are willing to spend.) Assuming equal effort, the valuation for physical looks compared to intelligence means that the pool of men hunting for smart women is smaller.

    End result: Smaller pool of men and less motivated men for intelligent women, larger pool of men and more motivated men for attractive women.

    This doesn't work in reverse because the physical attraction bit is asymetrical (ie: and even anti-correlated, in that intelligence signals higher earning potentional, something women are more interested in relative to men)
    I agree totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I believe your premise is faulty. "giggles, zanyness, the unpredictability" does not equate to unintelligent, any more than seriousness equates to intelligence. This suggests that Robin Williams and Jim Carrey are total morons. Do you really think this is so?

    Your premise is essentially that ESP's are much less intelligent than ISJ's. This is more an aspect of personality than it is intelligence. Some people are attracted to the steady and serious ISJ's and others prefer the outgoing and fun loving ESP's. It's totally a matter of personality and not preference.
    It's good of you to point that out. Although Jim Carey didn't really prove himself as more until he started doing more serious, philosophical work. It was partly tongue in cheek. Also, if you notice, my style of presentation was somewhat zany - this was intentional. Although, there is an aspect to giggling and saying incoherent things that suggests a woman to be an easy sexual target. Gotta admit, yes? Also, there is intelligent zany and stupid zany. Maybe it's Ni that enjoys reconciling opposites and exploring the absurd, but that is different than using randomness to demonstrate a lack of thinking.

    Anyway, i think there is a difference between the situation for an above-average intelligence woman vs. extraordinary intelligence. When i think back on my female professors who have made national/international contributions in their fields, they are typically not married and have not had much success in relationships. The most sought after girls i remember from college were typically nursing or elementary ed majors. Women who are bright enough to do well, ambitious enough to have a stable, nurturing life, but not doing anything too unusual. Men appear very pragmatic in their choice of mate. I'm fortunate that it's been a while since i had to deal with this stuff. It just came to mind.
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    When i think back on my female professors who have made national/international contributions in their fields, they are typically not married and have not had much success in relationships
    Refer to my observations. Unless serious demands are made from a person they lose their head of, these woman are unlikely to actually go on dates with their boyfriends; that way, relationships are impossible to develop due to a shift of focus towards career.

    I also think you are mistaking intellectual success for actual intelligence - there are married women with children that don't have a career whose IQs are very high; I understand that the belief on internet and/or book-IQ tests is low, but my mother on Eyesnick's questionnaires consistently scores around 145; she does not hold a college degree, and has been a stay at home mother for all her life.

    My gf's scores are around 150 (people will disbelieve me but hey, I don't really have any reason to lie). I had to work "hard" in order to make her more "sociable" because she was going down the path of overworking herself in solitude over intellectual matters. Fortunately (?) for some reason I have been able to make her fall hard so she forced herself to change her attitude towards life. I think most of the women you refer to would probably benefit from a change in attitude - but they likely do not know it before it happens. The good part is that when we play some game I always have to be full alert in order not to lose. She is smarter than me, but she's an introvert so she can't use her capabilities in some disciplines that require constant interaction with the outside world.

    ptgasby: the scores are based on Eysenck's global test, probably not officially considered worthy, but I can give you the details if you wish.

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    I can't stand stupid women; they are instantly-unattractive once they open their mouths. However, if they're not quite as bright, yet entertaining and low-maintenance, they're still just as attractive as someone that is much brighter, not as entertaining, and higher-maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    I can't stand stupid women; they are instantly-unattractive once they open their mouths. However, if they're not quite as bright, yet entertaining and low-maintenance, they're still just as attractive as someone that is much brighter, not as entertaining, and higher-maintenance.
    I think that hits the nail on the head. It is about what is easiest, and comfort levels. edit: Someone who helps the person relax and let go of responsibility, rather than challenging them. /edit.

    Also women who focus on the surface are not as likely to get hurt by subtle rejection because it won't register as deeply. You can get by with a lot more without it being realized. That's the low-maintenance part. To use an example based on a friend of mine: a person could explicitly write someone off in no uncertain terms, then turn around and call them high maintenance for getting hurt. A highly perceptive woman will be aware of everything, possibly tolerating far more than the less perceptive. This occurs both for the good and bad of all the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    ptgasby: the scores are based on Eysenck's global test, probably not officially considered worthy, but I can give you the details if you wish.
    I don't know much about the test, so I can't say... I didn't know he had a formal IQ test actually... his name only brings up the personality test.

    If there is an easy link to a test/study on it, I'd be curious on how it fits comapred to modern IQ tests (distribution, SD, etc)

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    You can't teach someone to be more entertaining or lower-maintenance.
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