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    I'm not getting sucked back into this. I know all about manipulation. I know how it works. I know you know how it works. I said it before and I'll say it again. If you mess with my head you're playing with fire. Maybe you enjoy it. Maybe you get some kind of pleasure from seeing me explode like that. Whatever. It's up to you. Just make your choices carefully.

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    I must say I've gotten more giggles from the dynamics in this thread than any other thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Interesting metaphor.

    You can have an accurate (s) big picture (n)
    It's called synthesis.

    By the way, the metaphor did not refer to specificity, as in trees.
    Snorkeling= surface level. Lacking depth.
    Scuba diving= deep below the surface level. Depth.

    Plenty of N people are Scuba divers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You can have an accurate (s) big picture (n)
    It's called synthesis.

    By the way, the metaphor did not refer to specificity, as in trees.
    Snorkeling= surface level. Lacking depth.
    Scuba diving= deep below the surface level. Depth.

    Plenty of N people are Scuba divers.
    In that case, I have to wonder where your justification for calling me not in depth is.

    I don't use MBTI for more than surface level behavioral analysis because it isn't meant for that--not because I'm incapable of understanding depth.

    Repeatedly holding MBTI to an unrealistic standard and shooting it down because it doesn't do something it's not supposed to do is not indicative of depth--it's indicative of willful misinterpretation of the system, in this case, in order to get on a soap box and preach about the emotional shortcomings of people you don't know anywhere near well enough to be drawing such conclusions about.

    You can have an accurate big picture, sure, but greater awareness of it reduces the awareness of attention to detail in the specific pieces of that picture. You can focus on the trees or on the forest itself, but you can't focus on both simultaneously as completely as you can focus on one at a time. We all use both sometimes, but for most people, one perspective is used more often than the other. The point, of course, is that you can't declare a system like MBTI invalid by holding it up to a standard it doesn't purport to meet.

    It's not going to give consistently reliable information or guarantee to be useful in any particular instance--it doesn't need to do this to be have intuitive value.

    As you said, two perspectives, and neither is right or wrong.

    But don't mind me--I'll just be over here in the corner, pointing out the sloppy errors of Ni doms who don't find it necessary to hold their intuitions to internally consistent standards. BT and Victor have a feeling that I play games to hide total inability to experience interpersonal connections, so why should mere evidence convince them otherwise?

    They'll just keep right on with the comical assumption that my denial of such an accusation serves as nothing but evidence of its truth value.

    Care for a cup of your own bathwater? It's delicious, reassuring, and guaranteed to cure cognitive dissonance in a jiffy!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    In that case, I have to wonder where your justification for calling me not in depth is.
    A person with depth is not the same as "in depth."

    Repeatedly holding MBTI to an unrealistic standard
    What is so "unrealistic" about asking something so simple of a theory,
    that it provide for those to be grouped together who are truly similar?

    There are loads of people who straddle the polarities,
    and yet they are thrown into the same group as if they are all the same.
    Well they are not.

    The point, of course, is that you can't declare a system like MBTI invalid by holding it up to a standard it doesn't purport to meet.
    I'm surprised to see you claiming what I can or cannot declare about MBTI,
    when you don't even use MBTI the way it was originally intended.
    I'm referring to function order. That's a bit hypocritical of you.

    ENTP doesn't just yield a percentage of E-N-T-P,
    it implies a dominant function, and on down the function order line.

    So in a way, you are claiming it invalid since you don't even use the original structure,
    created by Myers and Briggs.

    Care for a cup of your own bathwater?
    Only if you let me throw you out with it,
    since I have been known to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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    In other words, I don't need to develop genuine connections with many people here--I have this thing called real life for that.
    Now we know. Enjoy your life.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    But if it's easier for you to rationalize my behavior by labeling it a cry for help and imagining that I have no legitimate emotional connections to people in my real life, knock yourself out.
    I should have clarified. The comments were not aimed at you. I was very careful not to name any names, apart from at the end when I used a quote by you to segway into my final point. A crime I'm sure you'll forgive as you've committed it several times yourself.

    I wholeheartedly apologise if you thought it specific in any way to you: it was meant generally for a number of characters who shall remain nameless. Not that it matters.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Pretty interesting theory. I've actually developed a few personal connections on this forum through mutual interest in game-playing and used this common interest to develop more personal connections. The common interest in competition gives way to trust enough to produce relationships where game-players feel comfortable being genuine with each other.

    Of course, the internet isn't really my primary place for developing personal connections, so why should I care if it doesn't work out?

    That's really the point here, BT. You seem to think using the forum for game-playing must be symptomatic of lack of real personal connections, but I don't see it that way--I use the games played here in order to better understand what will and won't work well with real people. Not for the purpose of manipulating them so much as for the ability to better identify with the value systems and mindsets from which others construct their worldviews.

    Surprisingly, in the process, I've actually become a more tolerant and understanding person--though I do still enjoy firing off a good rant. Helps with stress sometimes. ^_^

    In other words, I don't need to develop genuine connections with many people here--I have this thing called real life for that. I'm sure you know all about my personal life though, just like everyone else on the forum with way too much confidence in his personal hunches about the motivations of others.

    But if it's easier for you to rationalize my behavior by labeling it a cry for help and imagining that I have no legitimate emotional connections to people in my real life, knock yourself out.
    Do you really think I'm stupid enough to fall for this? If the original proprietors were still in control of this forum my off topic posts would have been long gone and I would have been on the receiving end of a good private message spanking by now. I'm a reasonable guy. If you want something, why don't you just ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Do you really think I'm stupid enough to fall for this? If the original proprietors were still in control of this forum my off topic posts would have been long gone and I would have been on the receiving end of a good private message spanking by now. I'm a reasonable guy. If you want something, why don't you just ask?
    Have you ever been assessed for paranoid schizophrenia? I knew of this lady once who was angry because she was convinced that her ex was sending her private messages in the news paper. This appears to be what is going on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Have you ever been assessed for paranoid schizophrenia? I knew of this lady once who was angry because she was convinced that her ex was sending her private messages in the news paper. This appears to be what is going on here.
    If you don't know what I'm talking about it has nothing to do with you? Who said anything about private messages? What private messages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    If the original proprietors were still in control of this forum my off topic posts would have been long gone and I would have been on the receiving end of a good private message spanking by now.
    So that's what this is all about. Sour grapes.
    Did it ever occur to you that freedom of speech is preferable to restrictive "spankings"?
    We don't need Hitler running this board.
    You need professional help.
    Get some.

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