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    videodrones; questions Verfremdungseffekt's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    it's not intended as concrete knowledge or truth, but merely a method of organizing incomplete observed data.
    That is to say: it's descriptive, not proscriptive.

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    ^ Thank you. Honestly I expect that Victor probably knows this; I'm just a little tired of hearing him prattle on about cults and the "religion" of MBTI as if we're all taking it as literal and dogmatic truth. It's getting a little ridiculous.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ Thank you. Honestly I expect that Victor probably knows this; I'm just a little tired of hearing him prattle on about cults and the "religion" of MBTI as if we're all taking it as literal and dogmatic truth. It's getting a little ridiculous.
    Perhaps he is just thinking outloud in the hope that people reenforce to themselves that MBTI is not the only route to take when he feels that people are overdoing it. Just typical INFP overthinking stuff i guess

    He certainly gets reactions out of people. *are these reactions based on feelings*
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ...why do you still hang around this message board?
    It's true that MBTI is tha perfect environment for game players.

    And indeed MBTI is a prothesis for those unable to experience the spontaneous joy of life.

    MBTI is a cry of those armoured against life.

    Their armour protects them from pain, but unfortunately it chokes and stifles their own feelings.

    And being choked and stifled themselves, naturally they wish to choke and stifle others.

    They wish to get rid of those who can breathe deeply and feel freely.

    And so they never stop harassing and never stop asking -

    "Why do you still hang around this notice board?".

    Game players hate the feeling of life in themselves, and hate the life in others.

    And MBTI provides the perfect game.

    Like astrology, MBTI is the game of the masses.

    MBTI found its beginning in the mass psychology of fascism.

    And today, finds its natural home in the mass psychology of business.

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    i guess it's not as much to manipulate as much as it is to show yourself as someone you aren't. real manipulation comes from within, such as with NLP - either you're born with it, or you don't have it.
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    I use my personality knowledge to adjust my behavior towards people so that I'll get along with them much better. It's the person's decision to be manipulated... and I don't think it's possible to truly make someone do something based entirely on a personality type. There are a lot more variables. But I personally don't manipulate.
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    Like ajblaise was saying, it's more a question of whether you are trying to influence or manipulate.
    It's not wrong to want to get people to do things and to use the leverage you have even if it feels like it sometimes. That seems to be an Fi thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's true that MBTI is tha perfect environment for game players.

    And indeed MBTI is a prothesis for those unable to experience the spontaneous joy of life.

    MBTI is a cry of those armoured against life.

    Their armour protects them from pain, but unfortunately it chokes and stifles their own feelings.

    And being choked and stifled themselves, naturally they wish to choke and stifle others.

    They wish to get rid of those who can breathe deeply and feel freely.

    And so they never stop harassing and never stop asking -

    "Why do you still hang around this notice board?".

    Game players hate the feeling of life in themselves, and hate the life in others.

    And MBTI provides the perfect game.

    Like astrology, MBTI is the game of the masses.

    MBTI found its beginning in the mass psychology of fascism.

    And today, finds its natural home in the mass psychology of business.
    Oh, another conspiracy. It's a good thing you and bananatrombones are here to alert us about this insidious plot and so many others; after all, since I apparently hate the feeling of life and want to squelch it for others, I don't know how I'd ever get my daily fix of unfulfilling conspiracy theory nonsense without you guys around to light the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is called, "Begging the question".

    And the question being begged is, "Does MBTI provide reliable and valid knowledge?".

    And unfortunately the answer is that MBTI does not provide reliable and valid knowledge of the personality.

    And so your question - is it right or wrong to use MBTI knowledge? - is moot. And is simply begging the question.

    Hot damn, someone with a brain!

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