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    what is it exactly that you do, victor?
    i hunt INXPs for bounty
    FUNCTION ORDER FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ENXP MEANS: Ne > Ni > Fi=Ti > *

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I never thought people would be so motivated to slander theories and support others based on their perceived relationship to Nazis... Seriously man, common. Reich?
    My main criticism of Carl Jung is psychological rather than political.

    And although I do criticise Carl Jung for freely and enthusiastically collaborating with the National Socialists, I think his unresolved relationship with his father is more important psychologically.

    Jung tries all his life to resolve his relationship with his father. First he sought Sigmund Freud as a surrogate father. But Jung failed his Analysis with Freud and in reaction rejected Freud.

    And having rejected Sigmund Freud as a surrogate father, Carl Jung turned to the Führer as his next surrogate father.

    And Carl Jung never rejected the Führer as his surrogate father, even after the war.

    And so Carl Jung was never able to resolve his relationship with his own father.

    In fact he remained in psychological competition with his father his whole life.

    Carl Jung's father was a Minister of Religion. So Carl Jung rather than coming to accept his father, decided to beat his father at his own game.

    And Carl decided to form his own religion. And he did - a kind of secular religion.

    However Carl was psychologically compromised from the very beginning.

    So Carl Jung is less than a good psychological guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
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    So this tells me you don't like JTI, how about you tell the story about how you objectively dislike MBTI - I suggest talking a lot about Myer's heritage as well. Oh, and definitely include references how they continued Jung's "fascist" work, and that the real answers lie in that we are all sexually frustrated. I look forward to the analysis of factor analysis, reliability studies and validation tests that you are familiar with, since I assume you'll address those in your criticism of MBTI, and in support of Reich's Freudian theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    My main criticism of Carl Jung is psychological rather than political.

    And although I do criticise Carl Jung for freely and enthusiastically collaborating with the National Socialists, I think his unresolved relationship with his father is more important psychologically.

    Jung tries all his life to resolve his relationship with his father. First he sought Sigmund Freud as a surrogate father. But Jung failed his Analysis with Freud and in reaction rejected Freud.

    And having rejected Sigmund Freud as a surrogate father, Carl Jung turned to the Führer as his next surrogate father.

    And Carl Jung never rejected the Führer as his surrogate father, even after the war.

    And so Carl Jung was never able to resolve his relationship with his own father.

    In fact he remained in psychological competition with his father his whole life.

    Carl Jung's father was a Minister of Religion. So Carl Jung rather than coming to accept his father, decided to beat his father at his own game.

    And Carl decided to form his own religion. And he did - a kind of secular religion.

    However Carl was psychologically compromised from the very beginning.

    So Carl Jung is less than a good psychological guide.
    I am going to have to disagree that a person's own "issues" makes their intellectual theories invalid. We could disect many current psychiatrists and psychologists, I'm certain, and find trouble in their psyches. There's a joke that goes every shrink needs a shrink. Same with philosophers - Nietzche for one was a kook who had monumental trouble with his relationships with women, but does that make him less of a great philosopher? I personally don't hold Nietzche up as one of my personal favorites, but I don't think it's a good idea to dismiss a person's ideas just because of their dysfunctional childhood or personal neuroses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I am going to have to disagree that a person's own "issues" makes their intellectual theories invalid. We could disect many current psychiatrists and psychologists, I'm certain, and find trouble in their psyches. There's a joke that goes every shrink needs a shrink. Same with philosophers - Nietzche for one was a kook who had monumental trouble with his relationships with women, but does that make him less of a great philosopher? I personally don't hold Nietzche up as one of my personal favorites, but I don't think it's a good idea to dismiss a person's ideas just because of their dysfunctional childhood or personal neuroses.
    This is true of Physics as it is the study of the objective world.

    However Carl Jung's Psychology is a a study of the subjective world.

    And so I think it is important to study Carl Jung's own subjective world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is true of Physics as it is the study of the objective world.

    However Carl Jung's Psychology is a a study of the subjective world.

    And so I think it is important to study Carl Jung's own subjective world.

    You're entitled to this opinion of course. I just don't necessarily agree with it. I would have probably disliked F.Scott Fitzgerald as a person, but I love his writing. I don't have to adore the personalities or behaviors of my favorite writers or artists to admire their work, and I use this as an example because art and literature are also subjective fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    So this tells me you don't like JTI, how about you tell the story about how you objectively dislike MBTI - I suggest talking a lot about Myer's heritage as well. Oh, and definitely include references how they continued Jung's "fascist" work, and that the real answers lie in that we are all sexually frustrated.
    Oh sheeeeeeeit hahaha.
    I was beginning to think no one had a sense of humor around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I was beginning to think no one had a sense of humor around here.
    That's strange because I've been laughing at some of the things all of you have said since around page 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    You're entitled to this opinion of course. I just don't necessarily agree with it. I would have probably disliked F.Scott Fitzgerald as a person, but I love his writing. I don't have to adore the personalities or behaviors of my favorite writers or artists to admire their work, and I use this as an example because art and literature are also subjective fields.
    First I am told MBTI is a valid and reliable personality test. Now I am being told it is an example of art and literature, that it is an invention of the imagination.

    I think you have been scammed by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers.

    I think you have been caught up in the popular cult of MBTI and now can't get out.

    A popular cult acts a bit like a drug -

    When you can get out, you don't want to.
    And when you want to get out, you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    First I am told MBTI is a valid and reliable personality test. Now I am being told it is an example of art and literature, that it is an invention of the imagination.
    I never said that! I was arguing the point that judging a person's work or ideas by their personal experiences and/or inner emotional life is not really a valid way to judge the quality of their ideas.

    I have an acquaintence who has a PhD in philosophy who shares this opinion, so somehow I feel more justified in arguing this point than I would some of my other personal opinions.

    I used art and literature as examples because they are subjective, just as are most things in life, including psychoanalysis. Literary studies include analysis, you know.

    I think you have been scammed by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers.

    I think you have been caught up in the popular cult of MBTI and now can't get out.

    A popular cult acts a bit like a drug -

    When you can get out, you don't want to.
    And when you want to get out, you can't.

    This here is the stuff of tin foil hats. You strike me as a thoughtful, intelligent person, but these are extreme statements to make about people you've never met.

    Perhaps I should just let simulatedworld address this particular accusation of yours, since he's been so adept at it in earlier posts.

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