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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Do tell.
    Um, okay... in short, my time spent in monasteries in training for monk-ness, under strict but loving tutelage... taught me to be more caring about other people, more disciplined, organized and more dutiful than ENTP's are typically reputed to be. Had to develop lots and lots of new habits to replace older, bad ones, and by all accounts became a better person for it. Certainly a happier person, at any rate. Still lots of room for improvement of course...


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    Yeah it's definitely something that needs working on, I reckon, I can't imagine living like that, a slave to "the flesh" as it were... where it's got my buddy is obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes, needing so many pills to keep him alive that he virtually rattles when he walks at the age of 42, because even though for YEARS everyone, doctors and friends and family, was telling him to for god's sake have some self-control, he just didn't do anything about it. It's like once he establishes a precedent, he just becomes enslaved to the routine of it, and can't break it. Weird (really, ultra weird to my mind), and sad at the same time. A cautionary tale to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Um, okay... in short, my time spent in monasteries in training for monk-ness, under strict but loving tutelage... taught me to be more caring about other people, more disciplined, organized and more dutiful than ENTP's are typically reputed to be. Had to develop lots and lots of new habits to replace older, bad ones, and by all accounts became a better person for it. Certainly a happier person, at any rate. Still lots of room for improvement of course...




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    Yeah it's definitely something that needs working on, I reckon, I can't imagine living like that, a slave to "the flesh" as it were... where it's got my buddy is obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes, needing so many pills to keep him alive that he virtually rattles when he walks at the age of 42, because even though for YEARS everyone, doctors and friends and family, was telling him to for god's sake have some self-control, he just didn't do anything about it. It's like once he establishes a precedent, he just becomes enslaved to the routine of it, and can't break it. Weird (really, ultra weird to my mind), and sad at the same time. A cautionary tale to be sure.
    I think that's a rare case. Has he sought professional psychological help?


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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    I think that's a rare case. Has he sought professional psychological help?
    yeah but only after the horse has bolted, as usual... pre-emptive action has never been his forté...

    (edit - yes I know he's a rather more extreme case than usual, but it's more useful that way as a cautionary tale, I reckon - more obvious!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    yeah but only after the horse has bolted, as usual... pre-emptive action has never been his forté...

    (edit - yes I know he's a rather more extreme case than usual, but it's more useful that way as a cautionary tale, I reckon - more obvious!)
    How close are you to him? I wonder how your arrogance is affecting him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    How close are you to him? I wonder how your arrogance is affecting him.
    haha, touché my friend

    Though of course I know arrogance is an issue for me (though I'm not the only one), this isn't an example of it - in this case I think what you're reading as arrogance is actually just exasperation borne out of having my nerves and worry-cells flat out on his account for the last ten years... plus probably a bit of misunderstanding as to my sense of humour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yes, coffee is a subtle addiction.

    And without suspecting a thing, coffee starts to think it is time to leave home.
    Too funny! But, for me did not hold true. Once, I accidentally forgot to write on a freezer baggie that the coffee in it was decaf. I took it to work with me, and for the life of me could not figure out why I had horrendous migraine headaches every day. As soon as I recalled it was decaf and had regular coffee again, they went away!

    And, you do have to be careful as to what you 'replace' an addiction with...I tried to get off coffee and switched to tea...I now have a tea addiction as well!

    Good for you for being able to make such a significant change! Juice is good for you!
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    haha, touché my friend

    Though of course I know arrogance is an issue for me (though I'm not the only one), this isn't an example of it - in this case I think what you're reading as arrogance is actually just exasperation borne out of having my nerves and worry-cells flat out on his account for the last ten years... plus probably a bit of misunderstanding as to my sense of humour
    You can't deny you have a "holier than thou" attitude. It comes with being an ENTP, I guess?

    I just also meant that the way you come off talking about it, your take on the situation could have adverse effects on his ability to cope and adapt. However, it's relative to your emotional attachment to him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    You can't deny you have a "holier than thou" attitude. It comes with being an ENTP, I guess?

    I just also meant that the way you come off talking about it, your take on the situation could have adverse effects on his ability to cope and adapt. However, it's relative to your emotional attachment to him.
    Wait, so I said I've got more self discipline than a) someone I acknowledged to be an extreme case of lack of it and b) the stereotypes of my type, and that I've learned the hard way through outside help how to be better than I was but that there's still room for improvement, and that you've misunderstood my sense of humour, and all of a sudden I'm arrogant and holier than thou? Doesn't take much for you to take against someone does it?

    edit - but you may have a point all the same, it's worth considering. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Wait, so I said I've got more self discipline than a) someone I acknowledged to be an extreme case of lack of it and b) the stereotypes of my type, and that I've learned the hard way through outside help how to be better than I was but that there's still room for improvement, and that you've misunderstood my sense of humour, and all of a sudden I'm arrogant and holier than thou? Doesn't take much for you to take against someone does it?

    edit - but you may have a point all the same, it's worth considering. thanks.
    If it makes you feel better about the argument, then yes, your comments to me did make me feel like I could be doing better with my decisions. However, your last few posts make you come off as talking down to/about him and thus, "holier than thou."


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