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    Video games, music, sometimes while trying to figure out philosophies and even some complex math problems, basically when trying to figure out anything in general.
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    deep, intuitive conversations
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    Playing music, performing music, dancing, sweeping, mopping, researching, and writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Music makes anything flow for me. I hate some aspects of my job with a purple passion, but if I put my headphones on, all of a sudden I get into a rhythm with the work and I start enjoying getting it done. The difference between music and no music is significant. So it doesn't matter the activity, what makes flow for me is music.
    I once went three days without listening to music as an experiment. After that, I realized that I'd rather sacrifice pretty much anything before sacrificing music. I hate working, but I'd rather work and listen to music than relax without it.
    "When a resolute young fellow steps up the great bully, the world, and takes him boldly by the beard, he is often surprised to find that it comes off in his hand, and that it was only tied on to scare away the timid adventurers." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Sometimes I meet someone and we flow like water.

    Othertimes I go to the bank and it is all dry and gritty.

    But it is as though there is an underground river flowing within me.

    The nicest thing is when I dip down into it and share it with you.

    I try to share it with the bank clerk and the bus driver and the waiter, and it works just for a brief moment before they recover themselves, and we return to the nitty-gritty.

    And then I make the mistake of trying to share a second moment with them, but forewarned is forearmed, and they easily fend me off.

    The odd thing, quite odd, is that I lose all track of time and what may be an hour seems like five minutes - they say time flies when you are enjoying yourself.

    So there is society around me that is alert to flow and fends me off.

    But then there is also myself - I am well defended against flow - I consider all the dangers and limits around me for so long I don't have anytime to flow.

    I think it is very nice when two people can flow together. They provide care and protection for one another - they reflect and validate one another - and together they are greater than the sum of the parts.

    Game playing is a seductive impediment to flow.
    Helping is also a seducive impediment to flow.
    Ego defences are also an impediment to flow.

    And after a while the flow can be blocked by the sediments of game playing, helping and defence of ego.

    But flow is so delightful, all by itself, that it springs eternal - all we need to do is to listen - all we need to do is give it permission.

    Lucy has openned a stall in front of my house. Lucy sits behind the stall which is embazoned with the words, "Permission Giver".

    So I shyly approached Lucy and asked her for permission.

    "What woud you like permission to do", she asked.

    I said, "I would like permission to flow".

    And Lucy said, "I give you permission".

    - I could have kissed her.

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    Almost at nothing. I wonder at people who say they achieve it, I find it a very hard state to approach. They are extremely rare moments. Really, you all feel ecstasy? Really?

    I have a thread on the subject at INTPc, though it's a bit old and didn't get going like I hoped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Almost at nothing. I wonder at people who say they achieve it, I find it a very hard state to approach. They are extremely rare moments. Really, you all feel ecstasy? Really?
    Well, ecstasy means stepping outside the taken for granted.

    And it is profoundly refreshing to leave oneself behind for a while and then return all anew.

    Of course, you yourself MacGuffin, do this once every day when you fall asleep and wake refreshed.

    It is just like falling asleep - but it's just that part of your mind remains awake, while the other part goes to sleep.

    This is very easy to do and it can be elaborated.

    So that you can learn to put specific parts of your mind to sleep, while waking up other parts of your mind.

    And putting part of your mind to sleep while waking up another part is called a trance.

    And trances come in all shapes and sizes and are created by a trance designer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Well, ecstasy means stepping outside the taken for granted.

    And it is profoundly refreshing to leave oneself behind for a while and then return all anew.

    Of course, you yourself MacGuffin, do this once every day when you fall asleep and wake refreshed.

    It is just like falling asleep - but it's just that part of your mind remains awake, while the other part goes to sleep.

    This is very easy to do and it can be elaborated.

    So that you can learn to put specific parts of your mind to sleep, while waking up other parts of your mind.

    And putting part of your mind to sleep while waking up another part is called a trance.

    And trances come in all shapes and sizes and are created by a trance designer.
    Nope, I've experienced ecstasy. It's not that mundane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Nope, I've experienced ecstasy. It's not that mundane.
    When one is unfamiliar with ecstasy, as you are MacGuffin, ecstasy will appear out of the ordinary - it will appear extraordinary.

    But consider, you enter the hyonogogic trance twice a day as you fall asleep and as you awake. But you take it entirely for granted. You take it so much for granted, it has become invisible.

    And I am sure you enter many other trances during the day, but they are invisible to you.

    So when a trance finally becomes visible to you, you call it ecstasy. And of course it is not the slightest bit mundane to you, because it is so unfamiliar.

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