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    Default Sincere and Phoney

    I was talking to Bill the social activist the other day and he told me that the internet is not real.

    I replied that the first novels were considered not real, and indeed women were advised against reading them.

    And when the telephone was invented, it as also considered not to be real. In fact it is from the telephone that we get the word, "phoney".

    So all new media are a shock to the system, also they numb us, and so we feel they are not real.

    Until the next new media are invented.

    After all, the internet is just a computer connected to the phone system.

    And if the phone itself is no longer phoney, how long will it be before even Bill takes the internet for granted?

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    not till the internet can let bill talk to and see his niece an ocean away

    or till it can buy his groceries

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    not till the internet can let bill talk to and see his niece an ocean away

    or till it can buy his groceries
    Well, Bill can talk to and see his niece an ocean away for free simply by downloading Skype.

    I'm an ocean away. Try it with me. My Skype name is shortus.

    But hang on, I am just about to order my groceries from the local supermarket - and they deliver for free.

    But the price you will pay for phoning me will be your sincerity.

    But I think it would be worth it just to hear the sound of your voice.

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    Define "real".
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Define "real".
    My thought exactly. "Real" is more than "tangible" isn't it?

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    I think that the Internet is as real as anything else I can perceive. It creates a certain distance from what you do, but that doesn't mean you're not still doing or experiencing something.

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    It's definatly more real for the introverts among as then it is for the extraverts.

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    Default The Real and the Phoney - The Amusing and the Boring

    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Define "real".
    Real is simply relative.

    And real is relative to the media you are using and that is using you.

    In 1440 the Printing Press was invented and the first book printed was the Gutenberg Bible.

    And it was the printed Bible the Puritans carried to the New World - the New Jerusalem.

    So the Word of God was carried to the New World in print.

    It was obvious that print was good and print was real.

    But in this New Jerusalem the telephone snaked into every home. And the snake spoke to the New Eve and she listened, and worse, she spoke back.

    And before long, when the phone rang, she would hold it out, just like the apple in the Garden of Eden, saying to her husband, "It's for you".

    Good women no longer spent their time perusing the printed Bible but were talking to each other on the telephone - and talking and talking.

    Soon the whole country was talking on the telephone and the Bible lay idle.

    And alas, it wasn't as though all these talkers were reading the Bible aloud to one another, no, they talked about everything else but the Bible.

    And people who tried to talk about the Bible were called Bible Bashers.

    The telephone had won - no, the telephone had triumphed over print - but at a price.

    And that price was guilt.

    Guilt that that the one true medium, print, and in particular the printed Bible, had been abandoned.

    The insistent ringing of the telephone could interrupt anything, and in particular, the telephone interrupted the reading of the printed word.

    The telephone interrupted the real truth, the real printed truth of God, and replaced it with a tinkling symbol.

    So quite naturally the phone became the epitome of phoniness.

    And we became a divided people - guilty and phoney.

    We are sincere in print and phoney on the telephone.

    And so the distinction between sincere and phoney became one of our defining distinctions. As opposed, for instance to the same distinctions the Aussies make between amusing and boring.

    The Puritans came to America with the Bible while the Scottish and English Enlightenment came to Australia.

    So on one side of the Pacific, the New World became sincere and phoney, while on the other side, the New World became amusing or boring. And we became incomprehensible to one another, almost as though we spoke two different languages - when all we do is make different distinctions.

    The sincere and the phoney; and the amusing and the boring.

    So what is real depends on what side of the Pacific you are on.

    The real is simply relative.

    And we are relatives.

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    In fact it is from the telephone that we get the word, "phoney".
    Is that true? If so, cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    Is that true? If so, cool.
    Would I lie to you?

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