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    I don't know Victor, I don't know you! But if that's true about 'phoney' coming from 'telephone' then that's just an interesting little factoid. I like knowing the origins of words...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I don't know Victor, I don't know you! But if that's true about 'phoney' coming from 'telephone' then that's just an interesting little factoid. I like knowing the origins of words...
    Yes, and it is also like knowing the origin of personality.

    For instance the American personality is defined by the distinction between sincere and phoney.

    In America it is good to be sincere and bad to be phoney.

    However the Australian personality is defined by the distinction between amusing and boring - such as in the saying, "The Queen is not amused".

    However both the Americans and the Australians take these distinctions entirely for granted - they are part of the air they breathe - and so these distinctions become invisible.

    And it is only when we start talking to each other across the world that these distinctions are contrasted and so become visible.

    We are told with irony that we are divided by a common language - English.

    But rather we are divided by our unconscious distinctions.

    And it is our job to make these unconscious distinctions, conscious distinctions.

    So that we may simply understand one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I don't know Victor, I don't know you!
    Well, Kangirl, I will tell you - I will only lie to you to save your life or to save your feelings.

    But really, I will lie to you only if I can get away with it.

    And naturally, I will only tell you beautiful lies.

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    Bit far fetched.

    I speak several languages and these unconsious distinctions are often pretty clear for any other person.

    Dialects, entirely different languages. The impact they have on the personality is astronomically small. Since the distinction between saying it consciously or subconsciously all still holds the same meaning to the individual. Ie. we already understand each other. And I can't see the scientific value in exploring to what extent these lingual distinctions really mean to the brain. Because in the end. Language is about communication. We speak to be understood. And we understand what is spoken. If it's not understood the first time, we re-word and try again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Bit far fetched.

    I speak several languages and these unconsious distinctions are often pretty clear for any other person.

    Dialects, entirely different languages. The impact they have on the personality is astronomically small. Since the distinction between saying it consciously or subconsciously all still holds the same meaning to the individual. Ie. we already understand each other. And I can't see the scientific value in exploring to what extent these lingual distinctions really mean to the brain. Because in the end. Language is about communication. We speak to be understood. And we understand what is spoken. If it's not understood the first time, we re-word and try again!
    Good luck, mate.

    In Holland you have Dutch distinctions and Islamic distinctions.

    But hey, if you don't understand one another the first time, just re-word and try again.

    Theo van Gogh tried this as he was being slaughtered by an Islamist.

    As Theo was being stabbed to death, he said to his Islamic murderer, "Can't we talk about this?".

    This is a civilized response in the face of barbarity.

    But perhaps Theo made a mistake and he should have re-worded and tried again.

    What do you think?

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    My mom called my online friends "fake" - these are people that ive met offline now and forged lasting friendships with.

    Interestingly enough, back in the 80's she was doing the internet and organizing meetups for the cleveland freenet - of which she still has a best friend that she talks to weekly.

    Sometimes I think it's just fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    My mom called my online friends "fake"
    Well, the internet is just a computer connected to the phone line.

    And what could be more natural than to call the internet, phoney.

    I have 29 friends with one pending on this site.

    And all but one of them is an ersatz friend.

    So maybe your Mum is right.

    You should always listen to your Mum - just wait until you are a Mum yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Good luck, mate.

    In Holland you have Dutch distinctions and Islamic distinctions.

    But hey, if you don't understand one another the first time, just re-word and try again.

    Theo van Gogh tried this as he was being slaughtered by an Islamist.

    As Theo was being stabbed to death, he said to his Islamic murderer, "Can't we talk about this?".

    This is a civilized response in the face of barbarity.

    But perhaps Theo made a mistake and he should have re-worded and tried again.

    What do you think?
    I doubt Theo would have tried to re-word anything. But that's not the point. :P

    What worries me is that you can seem to justify a murder based on lingual distinctions. That's just frightning. *nod*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Would I lie to you?
    Yes

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    The etymology of phoney, from The American Heritage Dictionary:

    [Alteration of fawney, gilt brass ring used by swindlers, from Irish Gaelic fáinne, ring, from Old Irish.]

    The word has been around longer than the telephone and has nothing to do with the telephone.

    Victor, honestly, you have no shame.

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