Perversion

[kyuuei]

^ Well, specifically.. Perversion is more the negative aspects of things. Yes, denotatively, it can be taken as positive or negative.. but I think society has turned the term to mean something negative in nature.. as positive things own other words.

 

[miss fortune]

So basically perversion is just a twist on the norm- it could be good or bad, if looked at denotatively. The connotative meaning of the word is negative though- associated with pedophiles and such (like Herbert on the Family Guy!).

The conflict being between what is and what's perceived, as far as word meanings go.

A politician may have a perverted sense of justice- this is used as a bad term, however, if you say, for instance, that "the robber had a perverted sense of evil which prevented him from murdering his victims" I suppose you could take it as a positive

Society doesn't like deviation from the norm, so perversion is BAD!

 

[Mole]

Society doesn't like deviation from the norm...

So take my advice - don't deviate from the paragraph.

And whatever you do - don't deviate from the topic.

Indeed you can demonstrate you are normal by using normal grammar.

And then, whatever you say, Whatever, we will like you.

 

[miss fortune]

for those that care about the norm, perfect grammatical structure may be more important

for those of us who are well aware of grammatical laws but refuse to follow them... well, I guess people still read e e cummings in lit class!

 

[wildcat]

for those that care about the norm, perfect grammatical structure may be more important

for those of us who are well aware of grammatical laws but refuse to follow them... well, I guess people still read e e cummings in lit class!

Language is devoid of a grammatical structure.
Language is an elastic thing.

A grammatical structure is a school teacher's dream.
It is only a dream.
A language does not have a norm.

 

[matmos]

Language is devoid of a grammatical structure.
Language is an elastic thing.

A grammatical structure is a school teacher's dream.
It is only a dream.
A language does not have a norm.

Absolutely. We are perverted by language.

 

[wildcat]

Absolutely. We are perverted by language.

Exactly.

Communication is not the norm.
Language is communication.
Very naughty.

 

[Nocapszy]

So basically perversion is just a twist on the norm- it could be good or bad, if looked at denotatively. The connotative meaning of the word is negative though- associated with pedophiles and such (like Herbert on the Family Guy!).

The conflict being between what is and what's perceived, as far as word meanings go.

A politician may have a perverted sense of justice- this is used as a bad term, however, if you say, for instance, that "the robber had a perverted sense of evil which prevented him from murdering his victims" I suppose you could take it as a positive

It works, but then people would just say "he had a conscience"

People like connotations more than they do the meaning of the words themselves. After all, a person most often use discourse for conveying ideas as they are conjured in his head.

I agree with the perversion surrounding language.
But it's not just we who are perverted. The language itself has been defiled.

A norm in language isn't necessary, but a convention is certainly useful -- between Victor and Wildcat's prose and creed, you'd think no use can come of employing a common practice. At least where language is concerned.

 

[miss fortune]

It's only human nature to warp things to our own needs and interests- language included. Sure, it may be a perversion, but its inevitable- that's how language changes or how social rules change- people start interpreting them differently.

Looked at in a different way, perversion and corruption are steps towards social or linguistic evolution.

*crosses fingers that we don't end up like in idiocracy*

 

[NewEra]

Left-handedness is a choice. Mayhap not initially, you instinctively pick up whichever one you lean toward. You choose to keep left-handedness though.. As you can easily be taught to do things other ways. My father's right handed now from a badly broken left arm, and just never decided to switch back to left handed when his arm fixed.

No, it's not. You can't decide I want to be left-handed, and switch to it, and be left-handed from that point forward. Whichever one your brain initially favors, that's the one you're pretty much stuck with. Apart from extreme circumstances of course (losing, injuring an arm, etc.). But if you try and teach a person to use their other hand, they're not going to become a person who uses that hand constantly.

 

[Moiety]

Left-handedness is a choice. Mayhap not initially, you instinctively pick up whichever one you lean toward. You choose to keep left-handedness though.. As you can easily be taught to do things other ways. My father's right handed now from a badly broken left arm, and just never decided to switch back to left handed when his arm fixed.

Instinct can only guide you.. choices are what makes us in the end. Anorexics have the instinct to eat, but they choose not to.. Maybe I'm missing your point Sy.

Left-handedness is not something someone consciously chooses. Yes, " you instinctively pick up whichever one you lean toward". That's not much of a choice. I'm right-handed and I could choose to try and become a lefty, but I will instinctually use my right hand in a time of need (I dunno, like defending myself or whatever) if I don't make a conscious effort. Your father learned to use his other hand better but I'm not saying instinct can't be somewhat tamed. It's just that in the beginning it's not something kids choose consciously.


Nocap : Instinct is a factor in this topic, imo. I was giving an example.

 

[Nocapszy]

No, it's not. You can't decide I want to be left-handed, and switch to it, and be left-handed from that point forward. Whichever one your brain initially favors, that's the one you're pretty much stuck with. Apart from extreme circumstances of course (losing, injuring an arm, etc.). But if you try and teach a person to use their other hand, they're not going to become a person who uses that hand constantly.

I don't think you or Kiwi know what you're talking about.
At least she's got evidence though...
What do you have?

 

[Nadir]

I don't think perversion exists as an objective concept, only as a relative value judgment and a sociological phenomenon. See the definition: "the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended." The key part, of course, is the "first intent." What is the first intent? What is the intent of this forum's existence? You can't tell me it's to discuss typology, because that's just something you came up with, and (barring consequences), I can just as easily ignore it and post some animal porn or pictures of murdered children all over the place. Of course, this would lead me to become banned and an outcast, but you can't in good conscience point to me and say "you're a pervert!" and justify it logically. You can't even say I'm a horrible person because someone might just disagree with you. What you can say however, is that I'm harming the order of this constructed, artifically-directed (in terms of its "first intent") environment and breaking the rules, and thus, "perversion" becomes something little more than "what the laws frown upon".

 

[Laurie]

Left-handedness is a choice.

Or right-handedness is a choice. We could always switch to left if we broke our right arms.

Btw I'm talking about writing with your left/right hand, not anything else. I just had to post since I disagreed with the hand writing thing.