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    Default Limitations of Type

    After having read a fair survey of forum posts and topics, I notice that it's common for us to extrapolate all sorts of things from type. This tendency to read type into every aspect of a person's life is likely a distortion of the way people really work, if not outright incorrect.

    For example, there are many factors that typing simply cannot take into account.

    Intelligence is not a function of type (though test-taking ability may have a limited correlation). Likes, dislikes, and desires are only partly linked to type. Type does not account for acculturation, training, or life experience. Type does not correlate with physical or mental pathology.

    Yet all of these things can and do influence an individual's decision-making process.

    What are other ways in which personality typing is limited?

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    Age - you're not the same INTP at the age of 18, 30, 45 and 70 etc. You can even change type meanwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon67 View Post
    What are other ways in which personality typing is limited?
    Overall character

    One of the most flawed paths these discussions can go down is to assume morality is related to type. This comes out as one type being amoral, another is evil, etc. Type has to do with how information is processed, not what one chooses to value.

    The second limitation of type discussions is their black-and-white nature. We get into all or nothing statements which lead to the ridiculous. Reducing temperament to 16 types gives us a lower resolution image of humanity. This is useful to enable us to manipulate and examine the pieces in manageable boundaries. If the pieces do not accurately capture the underlying principles, or if accurate principles are made too simplistic and absolute, then it's an exercise in futility. It is the study of approximation.

    This is how i think of type descriptions:





    Or when the theory is treated as far too simple and absolute:
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
    (from Blue Velvet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    One of the most flawed paths these discussions can go down is to assume morality is related to type. This comes out as one type being amoral, another is evil, etc. Type has to do with how information is processed, not what one chooses to value.
    ... but ESFJs *are* evil...!

    Seriously, though, I agree. There are definitely tendencies that can be described for each type -- their pitfalls, their strengths as people, what choices are hard for them, what sort of spirituality tends to feel more authentic to them -- but in terms of "good" vs. "bad" we are all on a level playing field.

    The second limitation of type discussions is their black-and-white nature. We get into all or nothing statements which lead to the ridiculous. Reducing temperament to 16 types gives us a lower resolution image of humanity. This is useful to enable us to manipulate and examine the pieces in manageable boundaries. If the pieces do not accurately capture the underlying principles, or if accurate principles are made too simplistic and absolute, then it's an exercise in futility. It is the study of approximation.
    Yes, exactly. Patterns necessarily discard details and focus merely on the generalizations or points of overlap. This allows us to make general predictions, have large broad understandings of things, but it is very much like trying to describe a particular description by only offer the algebraic/differential equation that lies underneath without providing any of the variable values. The equation is generic and needs to be that way, but life comes in the specifics and allows us to distinguish one thing from another.

    Likewise, if you write a book where all the characters are pure archetypes, they do not come across as people -- they are generic and bland stereotypes. Life is in the details.

    Or when the theory is treated as far too simple and absolute:
    Ummm... HR Puffenstuff and... Shelly Winters?
    (Or maybe Alice Cooper and Lief Garrett?)
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    I would be the first to concede that type is limited. But the reason it is discussed so much here is partially to improve it, and partially because it is a common language to express our views on something, since most of us understand it.

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    It also doesn't take into account the person you want to be or the one you perceive yourself to be.

    It's easy to 'fake' who you are inorder to make others like you and be accepting of you......
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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    It also doesn't take into account the person you want to be or the one you perceive yourself to be.

    It's easy to 'fake' who you are inorder to make others like you and be accepting of you......
    Or, indeed, the opposite - certain individuals seem to use typology as an excuse for being outrageously offensive to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    It also doesn't take into account the person you want to be or the one you perceive yourself to be.
    Actually, I think the person you want to be is the unconscious indicator of your type. Because what you want is often an expression of who you are inside. Think of this way of typing as figuring out your MBTI Moon Sign.

    And theoretically, the whole questionnaire is about your self-perception. Think of this way of typing as figuring out your MBTI Sun Sign.

    And I guess some would take the test based on how others perceive them, in which case, I'd probably be an ENTP. I think of this way of typing as the MBTI Rising Sign. Inside, I'm an INTJ, but on the outside, I have the same exact functions, but they're focused in opposite directions.

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    Interesting way to see it.

    What I find extremely interesting is how the ENTP can mask as an INTJ... it made me understand why I chose my entp

    I find it difficult to equate all these things to astrological differences, I mean I understand it and can see where you're going with it, but it's not really my things so I just have to think a little more.


    I made the comments I did b/c I have masked me for many years, and as of late the mask came off and I see who I really am and not who others have tried to make me, and not who I have tried to make me. There's nothing like 'shying' away from your type and who you are.... :eek:
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    MBTI is about how you organize information at an unconscious level. It's not a personality type, which I quite like about it.
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