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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, for ENTJs is Fi-Se, so I can't see how it's possible that it's Si-Fe for INTPs
    It's all a bunch of hogwash anyway, but here are the supposed function orders for INTP.

    MBTT: Ti-Ne-Si-Fe
    Socionics: Ni-Te-Si-Fe
    Me: Intuition/Thinking/...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    It's all a bunch of hogwash anyway, but here are the supposed function orders for INTP.

    MBTT: Ti-Ne-Si-Fe
    Socionics: Ni-Te-Si-Fe
    Me: Intuition/Thinking/...
    Allright, I understand now; I personally think that what MBTI describes as "tertiary" and "inferior" functions are, in socionics, the "suggestive" (fifth) and "hidden agenda" (6th) ones - I understand how MBTI differentiates between introverts and extraverts even in this setting, but I personally think it's logically and practically unsound to do so...
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    Yeah, I think function order development is kind of stupid, as far as the theory goes, and everyone of the same type developing in the same way.

    But whatever. I think my Ti is utilized well (I think I developed that in my early to mid 20's, and actually the Fe might have come after that), and I think my Se is good. I may actually put a higher *value* on Se in the present moment, even though function-wise, I may utilize Ti more. I also think my Fi is fairly high when it isn't 'supposed' to be (right up there with Fe), and maybe Ne (but I'm not sure I understand Ne as a function necessarily...I might just think I use Ne, when really I don't utilize it much at all. That's where it is probably hard to be objective when analyzing yourself. And, these things tend to be relative anyway - more useful when comparing yourself to others who definitely use a certain function, to ascertain whether you use a certain function much, or not).

    How have they affected my personality and interaction with the world? Well, I guess I've always been one who wants to strive for balance and not missing out on key perspectives or certain facets of life. So I actively try to branch out, and I see value in both T/F, and N/S. ;-) I take bits and pieces of each, I think, and I try not to ignore certain pieces of data/perspectives - which I'll call the dichotomies. I think it's made my life much richer and helped with communication and relationships (but to be clear, in real life I don't really think in terms of functions when I say all of this -- I'm never thinking, 'Oh, I need to strive to be more S' -- again, it's just all about balance with me, and not necessarily sticking to my comfort zone).
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    Te is pretty well developed, so much so that I've tested as ENTJ in the past. Twas not by conscious effort but by necessity/stress, so I'm not in a position to write a how-to guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    Te is pretty well developed, so much so that I've tested as ENTJ in the past. Twas not by conscious effort but by necessity/stress, so I'm not in a position to write a how-to guide.
    Yea, stress was a Te breeder for me, too.

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    I just did the test that Ygolo suggested - interesting it suggested that I am an enfp - I dont really relate to that - I dont think I will ever have that extravert confidence 'easiness' with other people though i admire it hugely - but I do have to do this at work which is why perhaps i scored like this - once I get home though I take off the enfp work gear and get into my infp pyjamas
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    You notice this process and enjoy when others use it but only occassionally find yourself engaging in it. You may marvel at others who do it very well. It doesn't appear useful to you personally and can annoy you if others use it too much.

    Ti,Te
    You value this process as a helpful aid, even if you do not engage it that often. You trust it contributes to life, particularly when done by others who do the process well. You might recruit others to help you do this process for you.

    Ni,Fi,Fe
    You actively use this process in your daily life as a useful tool or helpful aid. You could live without it but use definitely contributes to the what you do and who you are. You can work with others using this process, usually in a support role.

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    You create value, aid others and get things done everyday using this process. You function well here, know all the ins and outs, strengths and limits of this process. You have made this process your own, something personal and unique to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    My tertiary function is orange juice. It helps give me vitamin C.
    Cool, is that what jumpstarts you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    According to the results from one of the tests, My Si is fairly well developed.

    I need to work on my Fe, however-- though I think it has gotten stronger as well. Leaving Se, as what needs development.
    Where did you find this test?

    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I'm pretty sure these functions develop all on their own without any conscious effort on our part,
    like your adult teeth pushing your baby teeth out.
    It happens around a certain predictable age.

    Tertiary begins to develop @ age 25.
    Inferior begins @ age 50.
    Crap! You just turned me into a 50-year old. Talk about living life in the fast lane . Not that I mind running around looking for my teeth, but everything I develop will be done so, consciously.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    How is Se considered? Dancing? Having fun? Playing sports? Being able to react in the moment to stimuli? Understanding the external world?
    It all boils down to "being completely in the environment/moment". The things you listed are related, but developing your Se can be taken further. Like:

    • Can you tell the eye colours of all your exes?
    • Do you notice if your friend's clothes match? Do their textures match? What does that say about them?
    • Do you notice slight changes in the lighting in your environment? What is your favourite light-setting?
    • Can you tell people's mood just from the sound of their voice on the phone?
    • Do you consciously notice all the objects when you enter a friend's house for the first time? - What does their presence, location, condition tell you about the person?
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    Very nice pointers, Alpha, thank you very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Prime View Post
    • Can you tell the eye colours of all your exes?
    • Do you notice if your friend's clothes match? Do their textures match? What does that say about them?
    • Do you notice slight changes in the lighting in your environment? What is your favourite light-setting?
    • Can you tell people's mood just from the sound of their voice on the phone?
    • Do you consciously notice all the objects when you enter a friend's house for the first time? - What does their presence, location, condition tell you about the person?
    1) yes, of course
    2) generally not, unless there is a very obvious mismatch
    3) yes, I like natural light best, artificial lights have a negative effect on my concentration level
    4) somewhat, but really not confident in it
    5) yes, I notice them easily, but I have no clue about what they could tell me about the person
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Prime View Post
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    but everything I develop will be done so, consciously.
    ...
    Mind if I tease you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Very nice pointers, Alpha, thank you very much.
    You are quite welcome, FDG.


    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Mind if I tease you?


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