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  • Yes; and I covet it.

    11 14.47%
  • Yes; however, I will serve wherever I am needed.

    20 26.32%
  • No; but occasionally someone needs to step forward.

    40 52.63%
  • No; and if you ask me to lead, I will decline.

    5 6.58%
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    No... that doesn't follow logically. If I'm working under a boss, and that boss asks me to lead the other employees in a project, giving me autonomy and total discretion, then I'm the 'real' leader of the people I'm leading, even whilst I'm 'obeying' my boss.
    Do you think having followers is all that makes one a leader?

    Your position only has power because of your boss. Leaders seize power. Managers are appointed. And can be replaced.

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Moreover, I'm only doing any of it so I can get my paycheque, so essentially I'm serving my own ends.
    So does everyone else.
    No offense.

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    Look 6sticks, "mücke" is the best leader

    (careful sound is pretty bad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Look 6sticks, "mücke" is the best leader
    Ja, mein sohn. Bleiben Sie jetzt ab dem MBTIZentrale. Oder ich werde Sie versohlen.
    No offense.

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    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    When I was young, I used to think I was a great leader. I was very bold and if no one would follow, I went anyway.
    But since I've learned that true leadership is garnering support from people, I have not seen myself as a good leader.
    I'm not afraid of leadership though.
    I enjoy being in charge when I know what to do.

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    I don't covet it, but I love it.

    I love seeing the big picture, the patterns of how everyone and everything will work together and showing other people how they can overcome obstacles. Some ENTPs tinker with gadgets and machines, I see an organization or team as a gadget.

    I love to set the vision and let everyone else figure out how to get there. It tends to be less repetitive and detail oriented than followship.

    Parts of being a leader stink, but I love the parts I love so much, I don't care.

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    Belated responses (I was offline for a few days):

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    That always feels like to me I'm shortchanging people and not allowing them the freedom to go about it how they wish. I still can't grasp the need that some people need all those boundaries and details for them to feel comfortable, on top of that constant supervision to see if their progressing along nicely. It's like doing exactly what I personally hate.
    Yeah, exactly. I can make myself do that but it just feels so wrong to be doing it. I'd much rather be hands-off and give general direction, and let them work out the details.

    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    I'm in pretty much this exact position (sorry, Bluebell, it sucks ). I've (rather guiltily) assigned a relatively simple task to someone to keep them busy, knowing that I'll probably have to go through and fix it, but that while they're working on it I'll have some (relatively) uninterrupted time to try to get some of the larger part done. I'm really not proud of that... the person in question tries hard, cares, and wants to help/learn (and I DO honestly try to help/teach - I'm always available for questions, etc.) - but it's literally an "I could do this in an hour - and you've spent three days on it and aren't even close" sort of situation (and it's not the first time I've encountered that with this person).
    That sucks that you're in a similar position to me, but it does help to know I'm not the only one. I suspect I could probably improve how I supervise this person (I'm very new to it - only for the past few months) but then again, we are both nominally at the same level and get paid the same.

    I think part of my frustration is this person doesn't seem to know how to manage her weaknesses (and everyone has weaknesses, myself very much included). For example, it's pretty clear she's not good at remembering things - but I don't get why she doesn't stick up lists of acronyms or flow charts of organisations etc to get around that problem, which is a pretty common way of dealing with that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    I think you actually hit on a very good point entropie. In terms of delegation, maintenance and controlling it is important to sort of step outside your natural way of doing things and transform your message to the personalities you are leading.
    That's what I'm struggling with. My natural inclination is to assume everyone thinks the same way as I do. I have to work conciously not to do that.

    I think from my perspective I find it difficult to use Te to parse not only the information I intend to communicate, but also to provide some control measures. I think I respect my own Ne too much to the point where I fail to see the need to reign it in when leading others. I think I'm much more comfortable with a more consultant orientation.

    I think one of the biggest things I'm interested is in how some of the different types like to receive communication, controlling processes and measures, Information and just generally some of the things they like and appreciate while being led. I think it is a little easier to state your strengths and what you would prefer from the leadership side but much harder to get a grasp of what is necessary and beneficial from the subordinate side. It is even more difficult to transform your style to accommodate some of the people you are leading.
    I like these points. *ponders*
    ...so much smoke pouring out of each chromosome.

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    I h8 leadership. Yes, sometimes if I am the most skilled at doing a task and a group of people has to do it, I will unwillingly take the equivalent of a leadership position. However, most of the time, it's just an hassle that erodes my saint free time. There's an exception: if I am doing something I really like, then I have no problem guiding a group of people during the same activity (for example, often I assume a "leadership position" when I'm hiking with a group of friends, but that's simply because I hike more than all of them so I know more paths etc etc)

    I mean, if somebody really wants it, I can give him some "advice". That seems generally to be best than leadership, because it entails no further responsibility (and I h8 to be responsible for people because it erodes my saint free time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiver View Post
    I don't covet it, but I love it.
    My feelings exactly. I have served as a leader with much success, and I enjoy it, but I don't wish for it unless I am the most qualified. I do enjoy being the impetus for success more than I enjoy being the one who eventually secures it.
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    I'm getting more proactive with age and am less likely to wait for the beginning of a screwup before taking over. I sat back during the last project after having been the lead for the last three... It was a constant state of near-disaster where most input from anyone was ignored by the lead while he went off on tangents... I keep two-way communication flowing and make sure work gets redistributed when someone gets in over their head. People aren't tools to be ridden to destruction.
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